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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 22, 2006
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We have 11 games where we have given up 2 Runs or less and then over half our games we have given up 3 runs or less. If anything our fielding is struggling, not the pitching. there are only two teams that have given up more unearned runs than the Mets. The Rangers and the Diamondbacks. We have already given up 21 unearned runs. You can't fault pitching for that. We are sitting at a 3.79 ERA. No I would have to say Fielding and Batting is what we are struggling with. Most of you already know this I just wanted to put it in perspective. Take away some obscure performances, such as Snachez's implosion for 5 Runs, Sosa's two really bad innings and one or two by Heilman and we have respectable if not the best numbers. But, hey these things happen and you can't avoid them.
I have been satisfied with Nelson Figueroa (Figs) and even though Mike Pelfrey is over 5 ERA I didn't expect what many of you seemed to be expecting from him. So I can say that I am satisfied here as well. I do however question my expectations for Pedro and El Duque though.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:89
Level:All-Star
Since:Mar 29, 2008
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I keep waiting for the Mets to start playing well and go on a run but it is just not happening. What is going on. Just when someone starts hitting well another goes into a slump. Resyes comes around and now Wright can't hit. I am still waiting for them to come together.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Apr 18, 2007
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to quote the words of Henry Ford
Coming TOGETHER is a BEGINNING, keeping TOGETHER is PROGRESS, working TOGETHER is SUCCESS...
and another saying i love but i forgot where I heard it is...
Good, Better, Best. The Best never Rest. Until the good is better, the better is the best...
this means there are two types of players good and better... the better will always be the best if the good doesnt become better...
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 27, 2006
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Tonight for Pelfrey I thought would be a game if he could pitch well you never know...but if he struggles against a Reds team that is 14-22 and cannot get a W then what do we do? If he cant pitch well against these guys, then what more can we expect from him....This is a team the Mets should be beating on, like in game 1 of the DH today....Games they should be winning...
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Apr 18, 2007
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on baseball tonight a couple days ago they said how the Mets are always doing very good against other teams aces... but they lose a lot of games to 3 4 and 5 starters...
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 27, 2006
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Well I dont know what Arroyo is for the Reds but I know his ERA was over 8, he was 1-4 and the Mets had a great chance to take two.....It is not looking so promising now...down 3....in the 9th.....Bats come out smoking in game 1, then take a long nap in game 2.....Just when you think they have turned the corner after Game 1s performance, well guess again....another poor performance...
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 5, 2006
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.....not too mention some of the idiotic moves Willie Randolph makes. Fellas, I'm really getting sick and tired of this guy. I'm also getting sick and tired when the TV networks put the camera on him and all you see is that stare. Yes, the players are the ones who play the games, but when you're not being motiviated by your skipper, you just simply go through the motions. Say what you want about Bobby Cox or Lou Pinella, but they are motivaters. We need a guy like that leading our team while we still have a chance. I say let Willie go and bring in someone now!
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 11, 2008
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I was relatively happy with the way that Pelfrey pitched yesterday. The only thing, and this has been my BIGGEST complaint about him all year, is that he doesn't do anything the easy way. He walks batters, give batters hits in long at bats and so EVERY time he reaches the end of 5, hes at or near 100 pitches. Its killer! Other than that though, when he came out of the game, I think it was 2-1, and he had really given his team a chance to win.
Arroyo was supposed to be the ace of this staff, but has struggled all year up until his last two starts Maybe the Mets have a way of bringing struggling pitchers around like Arroyo and Gruzulani (sp) for the Pirates.
I did find it interesting (and I realized this also) that every time we played an ace, we had our best offensive days, raising, Smolt's ERA, Webbs ERA, Penny's ERA, etc, but can't do squat against the bad pitchers. In my opinion, that just comes down to mentality, and not mentally preparing yourself to play baseball (ie: go to work!!!)
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 25, 2007
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The pitching has been inconsistent. Perez is an enigma, and has done anything BUT taken a step forward after last year. Maybe Boras is whispering in his ear that the Mets are dissing him by not having signed him to a $250 million contract already. Someone will give this guy too much money in the offseason and keep their fingers crossed.
Santana has given up a ton of HRs, but still has a 3.1 ERA. If the bullpen does blow2 (or was it 3?) of his wins, no one is talking about the solo shots he gives up.
Let's talk about the bullpen. With the exception of the other night, Wagner has been lights out. And why did he give up runs? Crappy defense behind him. David Wright has always to me saved more runs then his errors have allowed. Not so much so far this season. And a 3B that hits .320/30 HR and drives in 110 can make 30 errors. A 3B that hits .265 with 20 HRs probably can't. I believe that David's offensive numbers will come up, but maybe it's time to give him a day off or two to get his head straight. Something ain't right there. BTW. His lefty/right splits? .441 against LHP, .211 against RHP. Has to stay in and go to right-center against righties.
Back to the bullpen. Scott Schoeneweis has a 1.74 ERA. Lefties hitting .111 and righties .294. About what you'd expect.
Pedro Feliciano gave up 2 runs in his last outing. They were the second and third he's given up all year. He's fine.
Joe Smith - they're hitting .218 against him. He's fine. Lefties are hurting him, though (.455 BAA versus .159 for righties). He's a "right handed specialist", if there is such a thing.
Which brings us to Aaron Heilman. Surprisingly enough, he's been great against righties and horrible against lefties, just like Smith. .355 BAA for lefties, and .176 against righties. All the HRs against are from lefties, who slug .839 against him (every lefty is Barry Bonds against him) versus righties slugging .196. His numbers against righties are stellar. He shouldn't face a left handed batter for the rest of the year (unless, of course, he straightens it out. But is it worth giving him the chance?).
Jorge Sosa has a LHB/RHB difference that is somewhat less extreme than Heilman, but still not good. Lefties slug somewhat lower and the average is about the same, but righties hit and slug much better against Sosa than against Heilman or Smith. Not really sure why he's still in the pen, unless of course there is no one else to throw out there. Sosa is a big concern because it doesn't look like there is any situation other than mop up duty that he is suited for.
Now an enigma - Duaner Sanchez. The last game I saw him pitch (a couple of outings ago), he was throwing 60% changeups in the low 80s and fastballs in the high 80s while occasionally hitting 90. LHB and RHB are about the same for him, and it's not good. It's early in his comeback, but he hasn't looked great. Certainly not a clear 8th inning guy (yet).
So there is reason to believe that properly taking into account the strengths and weaknesses of the pen, there are reasons to believe that the pen could be OK. In the final analysis, however, it won't matter unless they start playing better defense and hitting.
My two cents (maybe more than 2).
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Apr 18, 2007
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35 year...
duaner seems like he is still babying the shoulder...
he seems afraid he may re hurt it...
if i was omar i would send him down for about 2 or 3 weeks to triple a and let him regain his confidence in his arm... then when he comes back he wont be afraid to throw hard...
also it seems that felicaino and sheonwies are the only ones who should be facing lefties because everyone else gets nailed off of lefties...
and feliciano and shoenwies should not face righteis...
and sosa should not be facing anyone at all unless its a blow out...
cant wait for wise to come back i wanna see what he can do...
btw what ever happend to Brian Stokes didnt they get him in the rule 5 draft or something?
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 25, 2007
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rad:
Great post, and I agree with you about how Willie might best use his bullpen, to the extent that it's possible. It will be interesting to see how Matt Wise fits in, although I hear that it means that Joe Smith will be going down to New Orleans. As you suggest, maybe Duaner Sanchez should go down for some confidence building.
I had forgotten about Brian Stokes, so I looked him up. He is down at New Orleans where he is 403 with a 5.68 ERA. He's striking out 1 per inning, and has given up 1 HR. His WHIP is 1.26, so it looks like when they get on off him, they score. ERA is a bit of a concern, but it will be interesting to see how things go for him.
Actually, looking a bit closer at his year, he's had 2 real stinkers. On April 22, he gave up 11 earned in 3.1 innings, and on May 4 he gave up 6 earned in 0.1 innings. Other than those two games, he's given up 7 earned in 34.1 innings, which is a 1.82 ERA. If he were a lefty, I might think he's Oliver Perez's long lost brother. 
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 25, 2007
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Dang typos.
Brian Stokes is 4-3 at NO with a 5.68 ERA.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 11, 2008
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I've heard the same thing about Joe Smith going down, but thats just a mind blower to me. He is playing great right now, and Sosa hasn't played great since his first 7 starts of last year. Joe Smith has a future, and Sosa is a 31 year old disappointment with his best stretches being average.
The only reasons I can see getting rid of Joe Smith to the minors and keeping Sosa in the majors, is because it allows us to A) be prepared for injury and B) keep Smith's arm a little fresher for the August/September/Post Season push.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Just wanted to show how horrible our pitching is.
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Reputation:93
Level:All-Star
Since:Nov 6, 2007
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nobody is going to give perez a ton of money
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