How dumb are the Democrats?

UK Blue

explain these two vidoe threads i have put on here.....

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

Canyoubelivethis.wmv

MPO

I'd love to hear your imput on this as weel. as well as any other democrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

immigration legislation was put forth by your party!!!!!!!!!

I hate to say it but coach provided a great example of why we can’t move forward in this country.  When you can't intelligently debate the issue you resort to ad hominem arguments. 

You missed the point about the war entirely.  We could debate the war but both democrats and republicans voted to go in based on the same faulty intelligence.  Hindsight is 20-20 so saying now we shouldn’t have gone in has no value or credibility.  You can say that Bush doctored intelligence or whatever but there have been no credible accusations and with a democratically controlled congress and a liberal leaning press you would have known if there were any proof of Bush officials manipulating intelligence reports. 

Besides, the war argument would come down to an exit strategy.  Should we abandon Iraq to fend for themselves or stick it out until they have stability.  For your information I served in the military for 20 years and retired from active duty.  I am deeply troubled and offended when some self-righteous SOB pretends to have served in the military, trashes the leadership, and advocates surrendering, allowing our men to have died and suffered in vain.  We must do what’s right for Iraq and America and help the Iraqi’s end the sectarian violence going on there.  They had relative stability (under a cruel dictator) before we went in; we should help them re-establish stability before we leave.

UK Blue again resorts to ad hominem arguments.  I haven’t found a liberal (democrat) yet willing to discuss issues and try to resolve them on an intelligent basis.  Just those wanting to scream that because I’m not a democrat I am “selfish” and “heartless”.    I believe that most liberals and socialists are big-hearted people wanting to take care of everyone especially those that can’t take care of themselves.  I applaud your unselfishness and your sentiment for mankind.  Rather than scream that republicans “don’t care” perhaps you could spend a few minutes trying to understand what we are saying.  It’s not that we don’t care; it’s that we don’t believe the liberal solutions are the way to achieve our common goals. 

I remember the cold war; we won.  The Soviet Union was a great experiment in socialism.  They could not compete with the free market system we enjoy here in the United States.  The standard of living for all suffered under socialism.  People in the U.S. that we considered poor were living above what would have been considered middle class in the Soviet Union.  When people are provided all their needs and wants without having to put forth an effort or produce anything, many will not put forth an effort or produce anything.  While fruit does grow on trees you need someone to plant those trees, care for those trees, harvest the fruit, and distribute them.  We live in a society where people are given many opportunities.  Those that are willing to work hard are rewarded for their work.  Those that don’t go to school, learn a needed skill, become a valuable commodity, and work hard aren’t rewarded as highly.  This encourages people to work hard and raises the standard of living for all of us. 

The democratic montra of take from the rich and give to the poor is old and tired.  I give plenty to charity; far more than the average American and we as American’s are the most generous nation on earth.  I resent the liberals telling me that the government should raise my taxes and forcibly take more of the money that I work for so that they can wastefully spend it on their pet projects.  The government steals my money and spends it on “art” displays where the “artist” puts crosses in animal urine.  They steal my money and spend it on “midnight basketball” so that kids will have a safe place to play in the middle of the night.  They steal my money and build bridges to nowhere in Alaska. 

There is a place for the government in providing for people that truly cannot provide for themselves.  However, we must keep in mind that the government has proven time and time again (both democrat and republican) that they are not the most efficient way to accomplish anything.  Take for example the Katrina victims.  There is plenty of blame here for both parties and federal, state, and local authorities to share.  I only bring this up to demonstrate the lack of efficiency in government.  The government paid hundreds of millions to put Katrina victims in hotel rooms where many spent over a year.  The cost of some rooms was well over $100 per night.  For $100 per night for 365 nights (what we paid to keep these families in hotel rooms) for a year, we could have bought them $360,000 homes.   How is that the best use of our money?  At the end of the year they still had no place to call home and we'd spent more than enough money to build them very nice homes almost anywhere in the country.  I’m pretty sure that civilian charities did a better job here.

So, this brings me back to health care.  Do any democrats really want to talk about health care and how “socialized medicine” is going to be good for us?  Where is the line between what will be covered and what is not?  What about an experimental treatment that cost $500,000 and has a 10% success rate?  Do we cover this for a 95 year old man?  Do we cover it for a 9 month old child?  If we spend the $500,000 for this procedure it reduces the money available for other things.  You can vacinate a lot of children for $500,000.  Do we cover the very expensive treatment for people infected with AIDS?  What if they were having unprotected sex or using dirty needles to become infected?  What if it's a child that got it from a blood transfusion?  Who makes the rules?  Who decides what is covered and what isn't?  Do you really want the government deciding for all of us?
 

I'll take a spelling course ,when you take an fiscal responsibility course, I still haven't had 1 republican answer my question on here. So  i'll ask it again, Who do propose pay off our bloating deficit ? You are too greedy to pay the required  taxes to pay our debt.,So you just want to pass the bill to your kids? We are borrowing 2 billion dollars a day from China and other countries, no big deal right? At least you got yours.  

I'll take a shot at answering that.  How about we stop spending all the money that we are currently spending for things that aren’t the government’s responsibility?  We are paying more than enough in taxes but unfortunately we are spending even more.  Both the Democrats and Republicans are spending money like drunken sailors.   It’s not a matter of needing to pay more.  It’s a matter of setting real priorities and spending the tax dollars wisely.  If I only made $50k per year I’d find a way to live on that budget.  I wouldn’t live on a $75k per year budget.  Set priorities and spend wisely.  A better question would be how much government spending will be enough?  I can tell you how much taxes I think are enough.  I honestly believe that nobody should have to pay more than 1/3 of their income in taxes.  I’d say that includes Federal, Social Security, Medicare, and State income taxes.  Over 40% of my family income went to pay income taxes (Federal, Social Security, Medicare) this year and that doesn’t include state taxes.  By the time you add on state income tax, sales taxes, gas taxes, and property taxes it was probably over %50.  How much is enough?

Let's use some other examples... let's set the Vietnam war aside because it really wasn't that important. Let's set Korea aside because that really wasn't important.... need I go on. I can't believe how you can honestly and very self-rightously I contend, claim to be a military man and not understand the feelings that go along with your words. This is not a Republican thing, this is not a Democrat thing... This is a YOU thing Dan. Were Democrats wrong. Yes. Many of them knew better, as did Republicans and they did nothing. They were scared to provide a voice that said... you know, there is other information out there... and it WAS out there. U.N. inspectors were on the ground. Our satelites were ALL OVER THE PLACE... if they had any WMD's they would have had to literally thrown the missle out of the country because they didn't have the ability to shoot much more than spitballs over the border. The authors of this war Democrats and Republicans because they were too scared to lose their jobs... they knew better or were too cowardly to find out the facts.

Finally, anyone who has been in that country will know that they only care about being Iraqis when the World Cup in soccer. They are Kurds, they are Sunnis they are Shi'is. We cannot solve that problem. They only know tyranny. We cannot solve that problem. Whenever we leave, the place will be a mess. This is not even an arguable point with anyone who has been there. We have a better chance of eliminating poverty in this nation. Impossible... but a better chance. I haven't served this time, but I learned enough the first time to know that anyone who authorized this, did it for other reasons than keeping the country safe.

So, Dan. Before you label me, I label you. If you don't get the fact that your words had impact (and there is no doubt you intended them too) then you are right... we won't come together. You, too, are the problem my brother. By the way, your no democrat can have an intelligent conversation is another attempt to divide.

You are right. If we don't come together as a country and soon, we will lose what we have gained. But if you can't understand how your own "polite" slaps in the face breed resentment, then you will always only be a a member of a party, but you will fail to be a true American.... BROTHER!

Well coach, I can respect your opinion.   I don’t agree with it but at least you attempted to communicate a position rather than just smoke, mirrors, and insults.  I respect that. 

First off I didn’t intend to say the war isn’t important.  I can see how my earlier words could be interpreted as “the war isn’t important” but that’s not what I intended.  The intent was to say that the difference between the republican and democratic positions on the war isn’t important.  While the democrats want you to think they are going to unilaterally withdraw, both of the leading candidates have indicated that isn’t really the case when pressed.  It’s not clear what either of them really plan to do about Iraq but both have said they want to withdraw and both have said it will be a gradual and organized withdrawal. 

Neither of the democrats leading candidates would publicly voice the position you have with respect to the war.  If either one of them stood up in front of the cameras and said “They only care about being Iraqis when the World Cup in soccer. They are Kurds, they are Sunnis they are Shi'is. We cannot solve that problem. They only know tyranny. We cannot solve that problem. Whenever we leave, the place will be a mess.” then the majority of Americans would realize how little the candidate cared about the sanctity of human life and the perception of America abroad.  I don’t know the answers for Iraq but I know that leaving and letting chaos follow where the strongest, or most armed, or most ruthless becomes the ruler isn’t the answer.  That would lead to even more resentment toward America and breed more terrorist world wide.

The leading republican has said we could be there for 100 years and was vilified by the democrats and press for saying that.  Very little press mentioned that we are still in Korea, Japan, and Germany.  Just because we are there doesn’t mean we are actively fighting a war there.

So I should have done a better job of conveying why I didn’t think the war was a good issue to address.  The differences between the parties’ positions are not clearly defined but appear to be more semantics than substantial differences.  “Let’s set the war aside.  I know Democrats love that issue because CNN and MSNBC have told them that the difference between parties is important.  Fact is both parties had the same faulty intelligence and both voted to go in.  Withdrawing now isn’t in either country’s best interest.”  Added for clarity.

I did not say that “…no democrat can have an intelligent conversation…”  I said “I haven’t found a liberal (democrat) yet willing to discuss issues and try to resolve them on an intelligent basis.”  I know that seems like a subtle difference but there is a difference.  Your paraphrase of my words makes it appear that I said democrats are incapable of intelligent conversation.  I don’t believe that at all.  I stand by my words that I hadn’t found one willing to discuss issues on an intelligent basis.  The only responses I had at the time were venomous insults and outright lies. 

I guess my overwhelming point on Iraq is that these boys and girls need to learn to play together. Which means, just like teaching children we have to give them control. Things will go bad (that I don't believe we can help). And then when the humanitarian issues arise the U.N. will return to the game and the international community will come to our aid. We need them. The President is right. We CANNOT be on an island. We DO need international help. A point that was missed the first time. But you are right... NO Presidential contender will say that. The truth doesn't get you elected in this country.

In regard to the life issues... they will be there if we are there or not. Centuries before we were there they were crazy people cutting each others heads off in the desert. When we leave for centuries more they will be crazy people cutting each others heads off in the desert. They were born to hate us. I think there is a little we can do to help that... but very little.

Responsible withdraw is the thing to do, but the 20/20 vision that is reall