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Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth


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Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 10:58 am
We love to love this guy, but it's time for a dose of truth.

He's been VERY mediocre this year. He's been pretty damn lucky, actually. His numbers SCREAM "I'm not for real!!!" and "I'm going to screw this team!!!"

Just consider all of this:

- Livan pitched pretty well in his first three starts, I'll give him that, but the man is extremely susceptible to the long ball, and he's starting to show it. He's given up nine homers in his last six starts and remember: He's NUMBER TWO in HR's allowed over the past three years (2005-2007) with 29 given up per season.

- His WHIP (Walks + Hits Allowed/Innings Pitched) is pretty much atrocious. His 1.440 will haunt him soon enough. Explosions are very likely with this guy on the mound because he gives up numerous baserunners.

- He doesn't strike people out, which makes the previous stat even more scary... he has to rely on batted balls (that can, and will, find holes) to get people out. He's got a K-Rate of 3.31 so far this year... among the worst in the major leagues.

- Last, he's not just getting "decent run support", he's getting an ABUNDANCE of run support. An amazing 6.31 runs per start! The Twins score 4.42 runs a game, so you know this isn't going to last. Just for kicks, here's the run support for the other Twins pitchers as of May 14:

Slowey: 3.00

Baker: 6.66 (yikes! Maybe that's why he's on the DL!)

Bonser: 3.10

Blackburn: 4.50

As you can see, the team is able to score sometimes, but it's also easy to see why a guy like Bonser (who has pitched better than Livan) has a 2-4 record.

My goal here isn't to crack on Livan, it's to keep everything in perspective. He's not doing any better than usual - he's just getting lucky, and we're benefitting from teams NOT getting timely hits. The trend of all these wins is likely to reverse, but he'll still have some OK games. I'm thinking 14-15 wins and a 4.54 ERA at the end of the year.


Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 1:02 pm
14 wins, over 200 innings.. Sounds like a great replacement for Carlos Silva.  Except for at a much better price.  This is looking to be a very good signing by the Twins, which is something I had strong doubts about.

Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 1:22 pm

The points you have said are very true and he most likely wont continue his success at this pace but come on you cant say he hasnt impressed you so far.  If someone would have said on April 1 that on May 14 Livan would be 6-1 with and ERA under 4 and the Twins would be atop the division i would have asked what they were smoking and if they were going to share it.  WHIP and K ratio are kind of over rated what really matters is do you come out everyone 5th day and give your team a chance to win and the answer is YES for Livan. 

Its funny how after every start everyone projections for Livan keep rising.  At the start of the season if some said 14 W's for Livan with a ERA around 4.50 i would say thats a great season.  In 09 with those stats he would be getting a fat contract from another team. 


Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 1:36 pm
The problem is that he's BARELY giving the Twins a chance to win... his win total is impressive, but it's not a product of his pitching. It's a product of the team scoring a lot of runs AND the opposing team not getting timely hits.

Hernandez is putting way too many people on base, and that was most of my main point.

Am I happy that the Twins are winning? Yes.

I'm talking about the prospects of the Twins CONTINUING to win.

With Livan Hernandez, I do not feel safe.


Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 1:43 pm
And tacobite, I see your point, but he's actually pitching worse than Silva this year.

And Silva '07 was pretty good, actually (compared to '08 Livan).

Hernandez gives up a lot more homers than Silva.


Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 2:02 pm
you have to relize that we expected him to start out 2-5 or 3-4 no 6-1.  So for now all I can say is Livan Hernandez for Cy Young

Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 2:24 pm
What I'm telling you is that his record doesn't mean anything. He's still pitching pretty poorly, despite six wins. And I'm saying that we cannot expect the wins to keep rolling in. His poor pitching will soon be reflected in his record and more "widely acknowledged" statistics.

You're right though - a 6-1 record was not expected.


Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 2:43 pm

And tacobite, I see your point, but he's actually pitching worse than Silva this year.

Carlos: 52 innings, 4.33, ERA, 20 K, 11 BB, 3 - 2, $8,250,000

Livan:  57.2 innings, 3.90 ERA, 21 K, 11 BB, 6 - 1, $5,000,000

 

I understand the point of your post, that maybe some people think this guy is going to be something that he isn't.  I still stand by what I said earlier, if he ends up with similar numbers to what you were projecting (14 - 15 wins) and pitches over 200 innings, it will have been a very good pickup for the Twins.  And that's not even taking into consideration the intangible benefits of having a veteran on what is otherwise a very inexperienced rotation.

 


Livan Hernandez: A Walking Myth
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May 14, 2008 2:49 pm
Buddy, you have a lot of wrong stats up there. You're just posting the tip of the iceburg, and using it as an end-all for comparison.

Anyway, if we're arguing that Livan is a better value for his production, then you won't hear a peep from me. I'm just saying Silva is pitching better, and has been a better pitcher over the past 3 years.

I mean, the whole point was to help people see that W/L record is virtually meaningless, especially with a pitcher like Livan.

Good discussion though!


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