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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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That is pretty good Dawg, but then we have to go back and say that Cal is better than UGA by about 35 as well. ;-)
I will still go with Washington over Vandy next year... although Vandy had a great year last all things considered. I was actually quite impressed -- they are definitely not scrubs. Miss on the other hand (which is you actual last place team) is pretty bad and I will definitely take our last place team in Washington over them. Especially the fact that Washington won some IC games and actually beat a ranked Boise St. I cannot wait to watch UW this year. I think in the next two years they are going to be pretty damn good.
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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SEC Fan --
This is what I mean. When an SEC team comes close to beating it shows their strength. But it does not work for other conferences. Go figure. I did not say Vandy was weak. But you say not even close for Vandy and Washington. Perhaps our conference was just strong as well. Or maybe the SEC was just overrated when Vandy won. I don't know. I just think all conferences are tough to get through. You just do not seem to respect other conferences they way they should be respected.
Washington almost beat USC the year before. They almost beat Cal. They barely lost to ASU.
THis year, they beat a ranked Boise St and beat CAL
It is all good. As you said, all the different styles is what makes college football fun.
Peace.
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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If an 8 game schedule in a 12 team conference is a flaw, then 3 of the BIG 6 conference schedules are flawed. Does that mean an 8 game schedule in a 10 and 11 team conference is flawed as well?
-- Of course it is. How can it not be? Are you blind with what happened in the Big 12 this year? Makes no sense man. I am not saying that the Pac 10 is the best conference, but I do think it does the best way in terms of determining a champion. Would you argue that this is not the best way? Not saying change the other conferences, just let me know if you really think the split is better than what the Pac is doing. Just answer the question.
WHat else is news. The only loser of a conference CG to make a BCS Bowl was OU and they made the BCS NC game in 03. EVERY other loser of a conference CG has missed a BCS bowl and many time fallen below teams they beat that end up in BCS Bowls. That is just the way it is. We saw that with UGA and KAN this year.
-- And they had to change the rules because of that. I always love the that is they way it is. Do you agree with it or not?
But they lost to UT and MS. you keep beating this to death, but why are good wins better than bad losses? What was the tiebreaker that got UGA in and not FLA?
-- You are the SEC Fan. You explain, because on paper I will take Florida over Georgia because of common opponent. That would be the most logical to me. Florida lost to ranked Tenn and Miss. Georgia did not play Miss and lost to ranked Florida and LSU. Tenn lost to Georiga and unranked Auburn. So Florida seems more impressive to me. Just my opinion on these matters.
What about the other teams? The PAC and SEC played the same % of D-AA teams in 06. Go back on my messages to the fall of 06 before you joined and you will see many posts showing that the SEC played a comparable OOC schedule that year when compared to the PAC. Using a sample of 3 teams is not the entire OOC schedule.
Here is Sagarin's rankings for you from 2006 (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt06.htm) notice SOS ...
SEC
Florida - 8
LSU - 20
Auburn - 23
Arkansas -- 26
Tennessee - 4
Georgia - 24
SC - 16
Kentucky - 13
Alabama -30
Vanderbilt -39
Miss - 21
Miss St. - 17
Pac 10
USC - 2
Cal - 9
OSU - 15
UCLA - 7
Oregon - 6
WSU - 10
ASU - 11
Wash - 5
AZ- 3
Stanford -1
Interesting... I will let you do the math. Why do you think the difference?
In 2007, I believe all Pac 10 teams (except USC #29( were ranked in the Top 20 SOS and even had the top 2 spots with some more in the top 10.
I cannot wait to see how you negate these rankings. Man, give us some love.
Peace.
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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The big 12 is so overrated. Kansas State paid 250,000 to get out of playing Fresno State in Kansas. What the hell, Thats right they got a beat down last year. At least the replaced it with a division 2a school might be a little closer of a game.
Texas A&M needed 2 or three OT's to beat Fresno State on their home turf.
It is sad the number 2 conference in the country you say may be 2 there mid teams have trouble with the second tier of the WAC. The bottom feeders of the SEC clean up on the lesser conferences
Fresno State was not even in the top two of the $%^%$% WAC
So how tough is Nebraska, Baylor, A&M, Kansas State, Colorado(rape U)Texas Tech kills the sorry ass teams by passing till the end of days however how they fare against Tex, Oklahoma . Missouri and Kansas have not done $%^%$# for years so lets see if its a fluke of beating sucky teams and division 2a schools.
I love my FSU( Fresno State ) but I know they can on a good day hang with the big boys
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Rookie, interesting you chose Saragin for 2006, is that because it showed the biggest bias? Every other SOS for that year that I have seen had Florida ranked 1.
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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rcooke,
Another of the old threads huh? Ok quickly because I gotta go. First Jeff Sagarin bases his Strength of Schedule after his ratings.
Three quick examples of his product:
2001.....Nebraska #3 and Colorado #5....One Day after Colorado wins 62-24 to capture Big 12 North
2006....OSU and Michigan #1 and #2.....LMAO, still
2007...Va. Tech#1 and LSU #2...Teams have IDENTICAL Records. LSU wins 48-7.
Now if you trust these SOS please be my guest. And by the way, there are MANY MANY more examples of Sagarin's prowess.
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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This is what I mean. When an SEC team comes close to beating it shows their strength. But it does not work for other conferences. Go figure. I did not say Vandy was weak. But you say not even close for Vandy and Washington.
I did? I was responding to your question:
Would you say Vandy is better than Washington?
I was not trying to make the case that VANDY was strong and other like teams in other conferences were not. Read the post. I was answering Todd's question concerning "respect'" and Vanderbilt. My answer had everything to do with VANDY and nothing to do with any other teams or conferences.
Once again please do not read into my posts something that I was not addressing just because you changed the subject to ask about WASH. That was not the topic and I chose not to even go there and finished my post with the following comment:
Not even going to speculate as to if they are better than WASH, but I would say "on any given SAT", who knows?
I am sorry you asked a question that had nothing to do with the topic, but my answer had nothing to do with extending the same consideration to teams like WASH. I think you know me well enough to know that if I answered that question, I would use examples, facts, figures and outcomes of games to answer the question.
Have you not read my posts to Todd? Why in the world would I make a blanket statement on any subject without backing it up? Would be pretty hypocritical on my part, especially since I have been giving Todd down the road for doing that very thing.
My answer to you had everything to do with VANDY and respect. I finished the post with the above answer, which I think is very true. Vandy has in the past few years found a way to hang with and in some cases beat some very good teams. That doesnt mean they are a good team. They dont have a killer instinct, have not learned how to win games by putting teams away and are probably the worlds best at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. On any give Saturday is the best way to describe VANDY. Until they get over the hump and start to win some of the close games they normally lose, you will never see me be a believer. That, however has nothing to do with respect. BD said it best.
Vandy is not great. I have yet to hear anyone suggest that they are. But they are not the c***** team they were prior to the last 4 years. They have seldom been out of a game and they have played some d*** good teams down to the wire. Does that make them a threat to win the SEC East? No, but it also means that no one can afford to take them lightly.
Works for me.
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SEC is top.....not top to bottom better in 08
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Not saying change the other conferences, just let me know if you really think the split is better than what the Pac is doing. Just answer the question.
cooke, you sure havent read many of my posts. For the record a round robin schedule covers every match-up and is complete. Nothing is missed and every game is played.
Not true in the 3 division conferences or the BIG 10. There is a reason the BIG 10 has landed more teams in BCS Bowls than any other conference. There is a reason LSU and UGA were 1 and 2 this year. There is a reason the BIG 12 h | |
