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Since:Feb 8, 2008
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I'm sick of all these IU haters trying to bring down the program through this little infraction. There were no paying of players, altering grades, criminal charges, or any other major infraction that calls for major penalties. IT WAS PHONE CALLS. The reason that these NCAA penalties are in place is to keep things in order and prevent further disruption to the game. Both of these needs have been met with the self imposed sanctions. Not only is the staff at fault gone, but IU loses a scholarship and Crean has to carry all of the other penalties put in place while Sampson was still around. The will have three returning scholarship players next year along with all any other problems that will come with this new staff.
Immediately upon learning about the infractions, the University took action. It seems that many people are just bitter at Sampson and IU about the decommitment of Eric Gordan and want to come down on the program for it. Although Sampson did make some phone calls that he was not supposed to make, he didn't do anything against the rules when Gordan changed his mind. I know that this was not mentioned with any previous post on this thread, but many of IU's thread's over the past few months have been plagued with Illinois fans that can't wait to take a jab at a sticky situation
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Reputation:87
Level:All-Star
Since:Mar 21, 2008
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Amen
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Reputation:83
Level:All-Star
Since:Aug 24, 2006
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<p> Let me preface this by saying I am not an Illinois fan, nor did I care in the slightest where Eric Gordon went to school.</p>
<p> The problem lies with the hiring of Sampson (a known cheater) and having him repeat the same violation again at IU. That's where the NCAA is going to have issues with how this situation was handled.</p>
<p> And lets be clear on one thing, the NCAA looks at impermissable phone calls VERY seriously.</p>
<p> Tom Yeager, who was acting chairman of the NCAA's Committee on Infractions when Sampson's phone calls while coach at Oklahoma resulted in sanctions...</p>
<p class="inside-copy"> Phone calls to recruits might not appear to be significant violations compared with cash payoffs, but Yeager says that particular issue is taken very seriously by the NCAA.</p>
<p class="inside-copy"> "Sure, it's not as sensational as (if) there's a flashy new sports car in the parking lot or there were bundles of cash flying around. But what you're talking about is recruiting issues. This is one of the things that drives coaches absolutely ballistic. … If somebody is nibbling around the edges — they aren't robbing banks, but they're shaking down the kid on the corner — and in the end Johnny All-American decides to enroll (there), the end result's the same. … With some of these kids, the tipping point can be the smallest thing."</p>
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:May 31, 2007
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Yeah. I mean, I'm a Purdue fan, for crying out loud... but let it go already.
Face it, Indiana has already been forced to hit the reset button, and basically rebuild the whole program from scratch, minus a scholarship or two to start with. The whole thing has been blown up. There's no need to bury it... let them rebuild.
The NCAA needs to think of what's best for the students, and in this case, I think that's to acknowledge that the program has been set back significantly enough to more than compensate for any unfair advantage they may have possibly gained through the violations. The idea of enforcement is that if you take one (illegal) step forward, you get knocked 2 steps back to compensate. I think it's clear that the program at IU has been knocked back at least that far by this ordeal.
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Reputation:81
Level:All-Star
Since:Nov 28, 2007
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NCAA will probably apply some kind of small additional penaly because of lack of instutional control, and to prove that they are in charge.
The school hired him knowing that he had problems at Oklahoma doing this and let him get away with it again. (100+ calls is a lot for the little time he was there.)
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 14, 2008
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I find it hard to believe that Myles Brand won't take this opportunity to take another stab at Indiana. He is a guy who you don't want on your bad side..... trust me, he's a snake!
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 27, 2006
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The school hired him knowing that he had problems at Oklahoma doing this and let him get away with it again. (100+ calls is a lot for the little time he was there.)
Let him get away with it again? IU was monitoring his phone calls and turned him in immediately and then removed him from the program. HOW DID THEY LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT AGAIN?
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 6, 2008
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I agree with you Muckluck318 these infractions have been dealt with and enough is enough. Compared to the other things that go on in College Athletics this is chicken crap, ie. Mayo and his $$$ from agents and all the other college players out there doing the same thing. These were phone calls that were against the rules and the punishment has fit the crime so to speak. Time to move on.
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 10, 2006
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The problem lies with the hiring of Sampson (a known cheater) and having him repeat the same violation again at IU. That's where the NCAA is going to have issues with how this situation was handled.</p>
<p> And lets be clear on one thing, the NCAA looks at impermissable phone calls VERY seriously.</p>
You say all this, yet you don't think Floyd and USC should be punished?
Heck, this was the second time USC was caught letting their players get payed too.
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Reputation:86
Level:All-Star
Since:May 3, 2008
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I am an Illinois fan, but I've said it before and here I go again. I love the Illinois-Indiana basketball rivalry. I love it when both teams are going well and the games are meaningful. I'm sure Tom Crean will get it put back together fairly quickly.
BUT, what did Indiana think they were doing hiring a tainted coach. Indiana can go out and hire almost any coach they want to and the hire Sampson? What a bunch of idiots in the AD office. Indiana has probably been punished enough already. The NCAA is going to add more.
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 18, 2006
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Muckluck - As was said on a different thread, violaters of the law don't get the privilege of setting their own punishment. Self-cleaning the house goes a long way, but it's not solely up to IU to say that's enough. It may have been "just phone calls", but they were rules that everyone else had to abide by. As is well-documented, not the first time for Sampson; not the first time IU has had its problems. Finally, not all of us who are critical of the situation are Illinois fans.
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Reputation:81
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 16, 2008
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It's not about haters. It's about IU and their collective mental error in hiring a known cheater. IU needs to lose a few scholarships and call it a day.
It isn't anything like what's been going on at USC, but the powers that be at IU can't bury their heads in the sand and pretend they didn't have ANY inkling Sampson might be trouble.
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Reputation:46
Level:Rookie
Since:Oct 18, 2006
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Indidan hired the guy knowing he had major ethics problems and then he turned around and got in trouble for the same thing once he got there. This is by no means minor and Indiana should get plenty of sanctions. I expect more stuff will come out of this.
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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Aug 29, 2006
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This is just IU's response to the NCAA. Every college submits one of these to answer NCAA findings. There where approx 117 other universities who submitted excessive phone calls to the NCAA during the same period. The major infraction's vs. minor infractions stem from the fact that Sampson had the exact same problem before and that he & his asst. coaches lied to both IU & the NCAA during the investigation. When will people learn, when you get caught, admit your wrong doing, claim stupidity, ignorance, sloppiness etc., say your sorry a billion times and move on. Vick, Clemens, Belichick etc. as examples. I have to say though, that I'm glad Sampson lives in his own world of denial and arrogance. IU is in a much better situation with Crean running things no matter what the NCAA decides.
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 26, 2008
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I am not an IU hater. But they were fools to hire this guy with his baggage. He did break the rules. That is just a fact. Your own adminstrators say so. He did so, while under a huge NCAA microscope for doing the exact same thing just before this that left Oklahoma ina lurch. Now IU is saying Sampson lied and Sampson is saying that IU unfairly fired him before thoroughly investigating. You don't need IU haters to make your program look bad. Your own people are doing it for you. I am a Kentucky fan and hope Indiana basketball gets back to where it belongs, which it will sooner or later, and we get back to having a fun high profile, nationally TV covered, headlining, rivalry again. Programs like Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina, etc., will always survive these shots to their bows. I just read some Tennessee basketball fan talking about how they have taken over as a dynasty. They don't even know what the word means and two years from now they will be back in the bottom of the SEC and none of their fans will give crap about Tennessee basketball, unless Pat Summit is standing on the sidelines. that's the difference.
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 26, 2008
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Good strategy. Suck it up. Take the hit and move on. Programs like Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina, etc., will always rise back up. That is why they are considered as elite programs. Even in the midst of those teams worst eras, they are usually right in the thick of their conference races even then and always soon after.
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