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Playoff hurt the Regular Season?
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Playoff hurt the Regular Season?
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Playoff hurt the Regular Season?
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All of a sudden the state of Alabama is going to come together and sing Kum-ba-yah?
I am LMAO. Not a pretty site.
Name the last time a #1 CBB team pulled all its players for a conference tourney. Yes, playoffs dont always crown the best team, but at least it is decided on the field.
Great points. Case in point the 1985 NCAA B'ball champion was Villanova. If I remember correctly, they barely made the tournament that year, and went on to win the entire thing.
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GeauxTigerFan,
College Baseball isn't even on the radar. Don't get me wrong, I love it. But the audience is zilch compared to Football and even Basketball. You don't think the NCAA Regular Basketball Season has been devalued? I simply don't agree.
When Carolina played Duke in their last game prior to the ACC tourney Dickie Vitale and that gang were running their mouths that not even Michigan and OSU could compare to the Carolina and Duke rivalry. Even for Vitale, this was ludicrous. Was it important to Carolina and Duke fans....sure. But overall it had ZERO impact at all. Both teams were going to be no worse than a #3 seed. Hell Duke even lost the first game of their tourney and it still didn't matter. The NCAA regular season is as important as Spring Training is to MLB. You only have to be good enough to get into the playoffs.
Although I am not for it, I concede that maybe 8 team could eventually work. But for me a much bigger issue remains how do fans afford to travel to these games when you start talking 16 or 8 games. It is very easy to say set it up and then we will watch on TV. How do fans travel in those numbers on that many consecutive weekends? If you decide to let certain teams host, how are they going to handle visiting fans with only 6 days notice. Tell me any sport that has 6 days notice to set up a game with 90-100K fans and invites a significant number of visitors The NFL doesnt because there is no such thing as visiting team fans. Ditto for all the Pro Leagues.
Anyway, it all pointless except for the point of arguing. There is not going to be a playoff. That is why I think the Barnhart suggestion is a step in the right direction.
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8 or 16 game playoff. 8 take the 6 BCS champs and pick the best two non-bcs champs. How to pick them? Have a selection committee who actually watches these teams play rather than these stupid polls.
16 - All conference champs, remaining slots for at large teams, again determined by an NCAA selection committee, not polls.
As one poster said 16 out of 120 teams is not unreasonable. And if you're that much better than the non-BCS champs, then you should be able to strap on your helmet and kick the **** out of them like Georgia did, instead of trying to exclude because they're "unworthy." Anything less is not a true national championship, but a private athletic club tournament.
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If there was an 8 team playoff last year, tell WVU fans that game vs Pitt would have not have mattered.
It depends on what teams are included in an 8 team playoff. Given the current opposition to a 4 team playoff, it is doubtful we will ever see an 8 team playoff that does NOT include ALL the BIG 6 conference champs.
Since WVU had already clinched the BIG EAST championship, the PITT game would have been totally meaningless, in an 8 team playoff with all the BIG 6 champs qualifying.
Much is the case with a game like the OSU and USC. Would anyone care, or watch? It would have no bearing on making the 8 team playoff. The loser will still have a chance to make the playoff, and the winner gets no big advantage. They may have bragging rights, but other than seeding down the road, both teams move on to more important games, namely conference match-ups.
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VolsNShoes: "why is this scenario any different than in a BCS format? Late in the season teams want to protect their ranking for the BCS and they STILL play their studs."
Because in the BCS, only the top TWO teams go to the NCG and ONE loss could mean the difference. If a playoff takes the top 8 or 16 teams or if the playoff is based on conference champs, an top-ranked, undefeated UGA that has already locked up a berth in the SEC CG going into the final game of the year against GaTech could easily sit Stafford and Moreno, especially if they are a bit dinged up. I can see that scenario happening across the country.
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then you run the risk of losing and dropping out of the top 8.
Since any vote on a playoff has to be unanimous, there is no way you are ever gong to see that vote if only the top 8 teams are involved. ALL BIG 6 conference winners are going to have to make it and there has to be some provision to include the non-BIG 6 conferences and ND, without giving them some kind unfair advantage liike they currently have.
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Because in the BCS, only the top TWO teams go to the NCG and ONE loss could mean the difference. If a playoff takes the top 8 or 16 teams or if the playoff is based on conference champs, an top-ranked, undefeated UGA that has already locked up a berth in the SEC CG going into the final game of the year against GaTech could easily sit Stafford and Moreno, especially if they are a bit dinged up. I can see that scenario happening across the country.
Your assumption is based on two things: #1). There is little parity among the top teams in the BCS, and #2). That I have made the argument that you take Conf. CG teams automatically into the BCS.
I believe that you are making my point for me. I think that last season, when there was IMO no clear-cut better team, that the BCS let college football fans down. LSU was the best team using the system in place, but I am not for sure that they truly were the best team overall. ONE loss (as you put it) didn't remove LSU from the contention, and nor should it have.
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VolsNShoes, your original statement I was responding to was: "why is this scenario any different than in a BCS format? Late in the season teams want to protect their ranking for the BCS and they STILL play their studs."
OK? So what I comparing is:
-- why a team would NOT hold their studs out for the BCS for "only the top TWO teams go to the NCG and ONE loss could mean the difference."
-- why a team MIGHT hold their studs out for a playoff scenario because that team would already have achieved a berth in the playoff -- EITHER because its unbeaten (8 or 16 team playoff based on W-L record) or because it has already won its conference championship or has earned a berth in the conf CG.
In the first scenario (BCS), UGA would absolutely NOT hold out its studs against GaTech because ONE loss could (COULD, not WILL because in some years like 2007, a two-loss team might make it) keep UGA out of the TWO-team NCG. In the second scenario (playoff), like I said, I "could easily (UGA) sit Stafford and Moreno, especially if they are a bit dinged up."
COULD, not WILL ...
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UGA would have needed to get in as a at-large, therefore, they couldnt have lost a game. Your scenario is completely incorrect. Lets say UGa loses. Kansas easily goes ahead of Georgia and probably Mizzu. So time for you to try another tact. There is just 0 precedent for the action you are talking about. But lets say you are correct. I think we can agree that Rivalry games will not be forfeited. That leaves a power vs a second tier team. Lets say LSU sits everyone vs MIss. YOu lose on precious game. But you now get a 8 team playoff. Where LSU runs the table, you dont hear nonsense from Georgia, Kansas, WVU, and USC fans who all have the same record or better and were SUBJECTIVELY dismissed from the BCS title game. Does that belittle CFB or legitimize it. I would say it is the later. I would rather see one bad game then see another Auburn (05?), Miami or Wash (yr OU won), or Oregon (yr miami beat #3 in big 12 in NC game). I think the general public would also agree w/ me. I am not talking hardcore CFB fans but the casual viewer. Because in the end the fact that reporters pick the CFB champions is a black eye on sports
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"the fact that reporters pick the CFB champions is a black eye on sports ..."
They don't ... a SYSTEM that they are one of a number of components ranks the top teams in the land and the top TWO teams fight it out on the field to determine the CFB NC. No black eye ... just a bunch of whiney, weepy ones all across the land.
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"...you dont hear nonsense from Georgia, Kansas, WVU, and USC fans ..."
"nonsense" -- that describes it best.
Georgia - Win your conference, HELL !!! win your DIVISION !!!
Kansas - Are you serious? Played one good team all year long (Mizz), LOST ... BIG !!!
WVU - PITT PITT PITT PITT PITT PITT PITT PITT PITT PITT PITT !!!
USC - STANFORD STANFORD STANFORD STANFORD STANFORD STANFORD !!!
Any other NONSENSE requiring rebuttal ??? LOL
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usc: stanford
\Kansas: Mizzu? .. hmm what about VT
WVU: Pitt
LSU: ARk AND UK
Looks like LSU is the only one w/ 2 bad loses, but what the hell that doesnt jive w/ your purple shades. You pt out one bad game for teams, but overlook 2 bad losses for your own team. Clearly you have no interest in a logical discussion...
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the system? that is a nice way of passing off the influence of voters and trying to make an illogical system based on perception a scientific process. I have 0 problem w/ LSU in the NC game, but there is know way that you and your purple sunglasses knows for sure if LSU was better than Georgia or USC. you can yell about one bad loss (overlook LSU 2 bad losses) and use whatever circumstantial crap you can think of, but you just dont know. perhaps if you took LSU out of the equation and thought about AUburn and their 13-0 season you could get some clarity
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