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Vikings to L.A., Wolves To Seattle


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April 21, 2008 8:06 pm
Perhaps I enjoy being naive, but I do not believe that the NFL owners would allow the Vikes to move to LA.  Minnesota is a proven market with millions of die hard fans.  This would be a recipe for disaster for the NFL.  I mean Really, do you think any Viking Fan would root for the LA Queens, and hell no are we going to become Packer Fans.  REALLY!!  NFL just lost 7 million fans and gained a market that has lost 2 teams.  Brilliant...

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April 21, 2008 9:20 pm
rkars10

But keep in mind that L.A. didn't lose the Raiders and Rams due to any lack of fan support.  First off, when Al Davis initially moved the Raiders to Los Angeles in 1982, he did so because he could not get any public money in Oakland for a new stadium or even a renovation to the Oakland Coliseum.  Thing is, the L.A. Coliseum was absolutely no better.  Furthermore, after a decade in Los Angeles, Davis secretly began meeting with officials in the Bay Area (Oakland) who suddenly had a change of tune about approving a multi-million dollar renovation of the Oakland Coliseum.  The success of the San Francisco 49ers across the bay no doubt played a part in this.  In essence, Al Davis had his plan in place to return the Raiders to Oakland a couple years before he actually did so.  Ask anyone in L.A. and they will tell you that Davis' plan from the beginning was to use Los Angeles to get his way up north.  In other words, he never had any intention of staying in L.A.

As for the Rams, their late majority owner Georgia Frontiere moved the team from Anaheim to Los Angeles because, like Davis in Oakland, she could not get a new stadium built or even a renovation to Angels Stadium which was totally ill-suited for football.  Remember, the Rams had already been moved to St. Louis for a few years before the Angels finally got The Big A re-modeled to the gem that it is today.

In short, stadium issues and internal sabotage were the reasons L.A. "lost" its teams.  With a new, state of the art stadium, there will be no such issues.   But if you want to keep the Vikings in L.A., you'll certainly have an ally in the aging Al Davis; who still relies on L.A. to buy Raiders merchandise.  Jerry Jones, too, will probably not support such a move because the Dallas Cowboys are massively popular among Mexicans who inhabit L.A. in huge numbers.

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April 21, 2008 9:23 pm
Sorry, in the second paragraph I mean to say that Georgia Frontiere moved the team from Anaheim to ST. LOUIS (I said Los Angeles).

And in the third paragraph I mean to say "If you want to keep the Vikings in Minnesota," not L.A.

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April 21, 2008 10:34 pm

Valid points.  However, the NFL should look at what the Vikings mean to Minnesotans and not to where they think they can pad there checkbooks.  Californians currently have 3 teams that though they do have somewhat strong fan bases still are at risk of being blacked out in there regions on a weekly bases.  Maybe not the Chargers at this point because of there recent success but there fan base is still a little flaky.  And living in SF I actually enjoy this because it gives me more of a chance to see my Vikes without having to go to the Bar.  Anyway, look at how many Minnesotans actually kept on following the Stars and how many are Laker fans.  Minnesotans are smart and are not going to follow a team that is ripped from us.  And also remmember that when the Twins won there right to stay in Minnesota there was still no agreement on a new statium or any promise. (At least we can score one for Fan Support)


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April 21, 2008 10:41 pm
And if I do sound a little uncertain about not moving, it is because I do remember a man named Norm Green.  Love the Wild but that guy is a Jack Off.

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April 22, 2008 2:10 am
Sorry, brother, I live in L.A. and the stadium construction begins this summer.  The entire project is being privately financed without a single dollar of public money.  The guy who is principally responsible is a local billionaire named Ed Roski.  I would encourage you to look him up.

I'm all over this story and have looked up Roski. He's already gone on record as saying the only way the stadium gets built is if he can acquire a team and if the league approves the move. The league won't force an owner to relocate his team and since Wilf and Roski are both real estate magnates (on opposite and competing coasts) what makes you believe the Wilf's won't hold the Vikings out of spite alone? As long as the CBA is in place the Wilf's make as much as every other owner from the largest sources of revenue.

The riders that you claim are nonsense were already put in place by the fiscally conservative state itself. Had it not been for the I-35 collapse the new stadium would have been addressed this year.

Lastly, with the "recession" that is going on, what state would turn down a BILLION dollar private investment into something that would help stimulate economic growth through increased jobs and direct revenue? I doubt Minnesota would turn it down....I believe a recession will help the drive to build a new stadium if presented the correct way.

I believe in the end the mover will be Jacksonville because it's one of the newer teams and doesn't have the hstory or far-reaching fan base. They are also one of the smallest markets. I understand that right now Minnesota is one of the smallest earners but that is largly to blame on the metrodome lease that is paid each year.

The Wilf's see Minnesota, with it's overall economic stability, as having too much promise to give up on easily. EVERYTHING is contingent on Roski's ability to buy a team. If there isn't a seller...there won't be a mover...simple as that.


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April 22, 2008 11:08 am
Well, the best thing the Vikings could do to stay in Minnesota is simply win.  If they are able to trade for Jared Allen as rumored, I think they would certainly be able to win the NFC North.  In all honesty the team has already had a better offseason this year than they did all of last year and we're not even to draft day yet. They already have the best run-stopping defense in football.  If they could actually find a way to consistently put pressure on opposing quarterbacks, they could have a scary defense.  A team that makes it to the second or even third weekend in the playoffs is a team that'll be hard to move.

But they'll still need a stadium deal, that's the key.  The Metrodome isn't a viable long-term option.

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April 22, 2008 4:14 pm

I agree. Thats exactly why the Rams, Cardinals, Browns, and Raiders have been moved in the past. They weren't able to compete and their respective markets didn't support them.

Aside from how loud it can be the Metrodome is crap for watching football. IMO the metropolitan sports commision would be forced to sell the site (that the dome is on) now that the Twins and Gophers have their stadiums in the works. It puts the Vikings in the driver seat for acquiring the area. How will the MSC pay the Bills let alone show a profit? They will need to take what they can get and run.


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April 24, 2008 1:15 pm
Neither team is going anywhere. Winning cures all. If the Wolves and Vikes win, the fans and legislature will sure back these teams up. Both these teams are young and have a lot of talent so winning may not be so far away.