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With some fans saying the true MVP is Gasol not Kobe how long is it before Kobe blows up the new version of the Lakers? now some will shout no way Kobe is the man but they only went 5-4 without Gasol and there wasn't true talk of a championship until Gasol came aboard. Being a long time Laker fan I hope that Kobe has indeed grwon up enough to share in the lime light and not have to have it all (only time will tell). Lets hope that he has indeed turned that corner as many poeple closs to the team have said. If he has the Lakers could be a title contender for years to come witht he young talent they have.
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how long is it before Kobe blows up the new version of the Lakers?Not gonna happen, Jeanquev. Kobe will be the first guy to tell you how happy he is to have Pau doin' his thing on this team. Look, this is Kobe's team - make no mistake about it, he is the Lakers MVP. That said, this is the situation he has been waiting for...praying for...since stepping out of Shaq's shadow. Kobe has matured so much this season, and a big part of that maturation has to do with his newfound love of and trust in his teammates. He makes them all better.
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kobe is batman and gasol is robin.. they're a team.. thats it
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yea if they say MVP is who makes their teamates better...than how could Amare be mentioned? ...i mean even Suns fans know that the only reason he is doing so good is because of Shaq...so shaq should be mentioned before Amare..shaq even avgs a double double and amare dont....
and thats why KG wont get it, because you could easily say the reason he is doing good is cuz of Peirce...
a player has to have good players on his team to make him look good inorder to win the MVP is what im saying...
I mean if kobe could get our scruby team the past two years to the playoffs and the numbers he has and cant get the MVP...then idk....cuz no one on his team ever went to the All-Star game and he took them to the playoffs..
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I mean if kobe could get our scruby team the past two years to the playoffs and the numbers he has and cant get the MVP...then idk...Good point jaked. That's what cracks me up about the Suns fans who are so pumped up by their win over the Lakers in the first round these last two seasons...a team that basically was Kobe, Lamar and a couple of clowns named Kwame Brown and Smush Parker!
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Ha Ha Ha so very true!!!!! Let the Suns gloat about there victory over a team that blew there wad for 4 games then went down hill from there. We could have swept that series that was the mistake. We played great for 4 games and only won 3. Before Smush, Kwame, and the rest of some of that garbage came back to earth!!!
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With some fans saying the true MVP is Gasol not Kobe how long is it before Kobe blows up the new version of the Lakers?
What some people don't realize was the fact that Kobe really wasn't the problem when him and Shaq had there fued. Shaq couldn't handle the fact that Kobe would become the team leader and make more money then he did, so he requested a trade. He then went over to the Heat where he kept dogging Kobe and blaming everything on him. Then when Shaq left the Heat he couldn't keep his mouth shut. Riley even stated that he didn't know why Shaq was dogging them because they won a championship together.
Now throughout the past few years Kobe really hasn't had a team that he could trust because everytime he gave up the ball his teammates couldn't produce or finish I guess you can say. He had no other player that made it to the all star game , nor did he have another player that can put up 20 points in a game. He had a younger staff that was trying to develop into what they are today. With the addition of Gasol and Fisher this season his assists have gone up and he has truely shown signs of a great team player because he now has people he can trust with the ball again. If you didn't realize this season he was the leagues leading scorer because he was making everyone around him better which in return gave the Lakers the best record in the West. Gasol didn't show up until the last few months in the season, so how can he even be mentioned as the leagues MVP. Yes, he did make the team better, but as far as MVP goes Kobe has been there all season long making as some would say the impossible- possible.
I truely believe that Kobe is happy that Gasol is here and I really don't think there ego's will get in the way because when Gasol came over to the Laker's he knew already that it was Kobe's team if some would like to say.
For people who say that Gasol is the MVP is just foolish. They are a team now, so they are all MVP's in my book, but Kobe will be named the leagues MVP for what he has done for this team this season.
I would also like to add that Gasol has been a great addition to our team and I love having him play for the Lakers, but if you are going to use his name as an MVP you must look at what he did for his past team (An MVP is a seasons honor). If I am not mistake they fell out of the race pretty fast or that trade that got him to the Lakers would have never happened. Just something to think about.
We are now 1-0 in the playoffs :)
GO LAKERS!!!!
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i find it funny how particular Laker Fans start a thread on one topic and lead to somehow certain particular Laker fans bringing up the Suns in what seems to be a non-suns related threat. And then those particular Laker fans blame suns fans for bringing up these pointless issues. I can understand if Amare was in the top 2-3 in conversations, lets be honest when the talk of mvp comes up Amare is mentioned 5th or 6th maybe 7th. But as far as the team MVP goes, most Suns fans consider Nash the MVP. The team goes no where without the general, just look at the 34 minutes a game he is on the court with the point + (plus) ratio vs the 14 minutes he is not and the point Minus ration. No doubt Amare is a top tier player, but he still lacks the game decision making that Nash has. When Amare becomes more of a decision maker, especially with fouls, he will be the Suns MVP.
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But as far as the team MVP goes, most Suns fans consider Nash the MVP.UGWMN, that might just be one of the most sensible things I think I've heard you say - nice job!
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i find it funny how particular Laker Fans start a thread on one topic and lead to somehow certain particular Laker fans bringing up the Suns in what seems to be a non-suns related threat. And then those particular Laker fans blame suns fans for bringing up these pointless issues. I can understand if Amare was in the top 2-3 in conversations, lets be honest when the talk of mvp comes up Amare is mentioned 5th or 6th maybe 7th. But as far as the team MVP goes, most Suns fans consider Nash the MVP. The team goes no where without the general, just look at the 34 minutes a game he is on the court with the point + (plus) ratio vs the 14 minutes he is not and the point Minus ration. No doubt Amare is a top tier player, but he still lacks the game decision making that Nash has. When Amare becomes more of a decision maker, especially with fouls, he will be the Suns MVP.
the reason i brang up Amare was to make a point...if you idnt notice i also brought up Peirce and Garnett.
all i said was that if Mvp is mostly about making your teamamtes better...then Shaq should get more recognition than Amare cuz Amare is avg like 6 or 8 more points a game since he been there and about 1 more board....and his field goal percentage went up too...i think
i was just making a point...no need to get your panties in a bunch
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Jeanque, I don't think there is a chance of a Kobe Bryant implosion, as much as Kobe gets blamed for not getting along with Shaq, the big cactus as he is now known was no shrinking violet....two huge egos involved. Kobe is doing the team thing, Gasol is a better player with Kobe and Kobe is better with Gasol, a win, win situation. Gasol does not have that huge ego and is well liked and respected by Kobe and the rest of the players.
You bring up some valid points, but everything should be fine.
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Since:Feb 7, 2008
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Kobe is the MVP don't you know it stands for.......
M ore
V aluable than
P au............or P aul for that matter
Kobe makes Pau so much more valuable than before when he was the first option in Memphis. If you were to ask the GM's in this league if they would want to build a team around Pau or Kobe just guess who they would take. The double and triple teams that Kobe attracts allows guys like Pau and Lamar to get easily to the hoop whether it is for the bucket or for the rebound or a put back.
Simple put Kobe loves his current TEAM and will not have any issues with how things may appear to some.
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Yeah sadley Kobe does shoulder all the blame for the break up of the Lakers and we all know there was plenty of blame to go around. Shaq shared the pie, Jackson had a slice, so did Kupchak, and Buss. Make no mistake though that Kobe had a large hand in dismantling that laker team. I think though the last two years have shown Kobe that he cannot do it alone(some times you have to go through the trials of fire to learn the lesson). SO I truley belive that he will not blow up his team but I wanted to tooss it out there for a little friendly discussion which is what we got.
Now just as an aside about the return of Bynum I would at this point roll the dice the rest of the way without him. Let him sit out and let the knee 100% heal we dont have to rick his furture to win and we shouldnt try to mix him back into the fold during the playoffs. next season should truthfully be magical as bynum will return and cntinue to develope and will becaome and even larger force as the third option.
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I am so sick and tired of this crap.Aftewr the game on yesterday,had a cousin call and tell me that pau is the reason why we are good.Let me remind everyone that we were #1 before gasol got their.And i'm not going to apologize for having him.He's a great #2 option on this team.He had a great game 1 but make no mistake about it,that was the easiest 36pts a player could have.The biggest reason is that denver does not play d and they are using Kenyon Martin to guard kobe which opens up everything inside.Kobe should not have to score 40pts for us to win.Every great player needs help to win championships.I thinkl that people hate kobe so much until they envy the thought that he has good teammates and the only thing they could say is that he is not mvp.I don't understand why people don't say that about Chris Paul.David west gets 30pt games on any given night and they still give credit to paul.Stoudemire gets 30pts and they give credit to nash.No one wants to give kobe the credit.But you know what,just like i told my cousin,i don't give a dam.Everyone knows who's the best player in the game,and with pau,we are even better.Kobe will win mvp whether you like it or not.I love my new player and hopes he will continue to score big.For all haters,like it or learn to love it because this is the way its gonna be for the next couple years!!
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