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John Maine has been stellar this season and I recently read an article that quoted Billy Wagner saying he thinks Maine will win 20 games. I don't doubt his ability, he was masterful the first half of last year, but i still think he may have endurance problems down the stretch. This will only be his second season starting. I would take 15-17 wins from him in a heartbeat. Thoughts anyone?
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while there is no doubt about J M's potential to win 20, he could have gotten it last year. The issue wasn't endurance, it was run support in the 2nd half. Same for Perez, as far as potential. I love John Maine. Anything less than an 18 win season would be a disappointment this year. He has all the tools of a bona fide # 2 maybe even # 1 pitcher.
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I don't see any 20-game winners on the Mets. I am not bashing the players. Its just a combination of the result of relief pitching specialization and the way Willie manages the pitching staff.
Remember, the 1986 team won 108 games, and guess what? No 20-game winners!
Fans are predicting both Santana and Maine to win 20, and pedro and perez to win 15. Its not gonna happen.
There are my predictions, and I think they're a little more realistic.
Santana 18-6
Martinez 13-6
Maine 16-9
Perez - 14-11
I don't even want to speculate what a 5th starter will do.
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A 20 game win season is something special, they don't come around every season clearly, but I have to agree, that if Maine, in the #4 pitcher spot, doesn't reach 16-18 wins, the way he pitched last season, and the strides he's taken this year shown in spring training, theres clear reason for him to be disappointed.
I also think you are shafting Martinez there a little. The man came in last season and went 3-1 in 5 games. Lets say that he gets 25 starts this season (which is on the lower side) thats already 15 wins. Martinez may not give you the long innings all the much, but his 2.45 ERA shows that he will give you the low run totals to allow his team to win more often than not.
My feeling, as its been all along, isn't how many games can the Mets pitchers keep their team in it and give them a good chance to win, but instead, how many runs can the mets score to allow their pitchers low run totals to be enough for a win. I'm deathly afraid this year of the 3-2 loss as I don't see the back of our line up being all that formidable.
But all answers will be answered soon enough... less than a week till mets first pitch! LETS GO METS!
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I know 20 win seasons don't come along that often and its something special. I'm just surprised Wagner would come out and make that kind of prediction. He's forgotten more about pitching then i'll ever know, but thats a real tribute to how highly he thinks Maine's potential is.
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He for sure has the potential to do it. This year...I think he also has a pretty good chance, his spring was fantastic. Especailly since he's a #3 starter, he will have much more of a chance. Last year, both him and Ollie would have had much better seasons if they were at the back end of the rotation, since they were at the front end they both got a lot of mis-matches, look to see both of them have breakout years.
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no guerremo mota, that should help get him 5 more wins. I think he can do it!
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I actually think hes a #4 starter, Oli is at #3, according to the order in which they get their starts. BUT I completely agree with the sentiment of the post. Oli and Maine should each tack a couple extra wins on just due to the fact that the mound for the other team is a weaker pitcher by theory.
The no Mota thing also made me laugh. Mets roid free 08!
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I think Maine in his 2nd full season will be lights out but 20 wins??? I think 17 and a (Mets first) no hitter to close out Shea.
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caa0505 - I have to agree with you. I believe that John Maine 2008 will be better than JM2007, but 20 wins? That's a lot for a guy that is the 3rd or 4th pitcher in your rotation ... As for the No hitter, I can see it. The Maine Man seems to flirt with the No Hitter every 4th start he gets. I like Maine's stuff ...
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Can John Maine win 20 games? YES
Can Johan Santana win 20 games? Definately
Can Pedro Martinez win 20 games? Yes, when healthy
Can Oliver Perez win 20 games? Yes
But it is VERY unlikely that they all will win 20. I think Santana is the best bet to win 20+ games this season. Realistically, 15-18 wins from the other three should be a solid bet. This means they all must stay healthy for most of the season, which seems unlikely for Pedro. It also is counting on the bullpen being more productive then it was last season. Without doing any research I bet the bullpen cost Glavine, El Duque and Perez three games each. Perez also needs to keep him emotions under control. He always seems to be one mistake, by him or the defense, away from a total implosion.
My predictions for Wins is:
Santana - 21
Martinez - 16
Maine - 18
Perez -17
El Duque - 12
I think this kind of production should win the National League East.
GO Mets
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I love your predictions, but they may be unreachable. I hope not, but they are loafty. I can see each of those pitchers hitting those numbers, but all of them as you said may be tough.
If those numbers all hit, the Mets have 84 wins before we even talk about the bullpen. The bull pen is typically a lock to win at least 15 (last years mets won 22). so that puts them over 100 wins on the season. Impossible, of course not, out team is nasty! Likely, no.
Also, is El Duque now the #5 or is he doing the DL thing? That aside, I can see our #5's combining for about 10 wins.
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Maine has taken his game to a new level. 20 wins is possible.
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I think 20 wins is not out of the question, however I think 15-17 wins is a lot more realistic... not because of talent, because I truly believe his is 20 win talent... however, I dont believe that enough was done to upgrade the bullpen... Duaner will help a little in this area... and if Jorge Sosa is in the pen when the season starts will help... but I sitll think they need one more solid arm in the pen... this will take some of the innings off of Maine and make him last longer down the stretch... hopefully keeping him from fatigue... thats just my thoughts on it... I would love to be wrong on this one...
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Maine is a future ace... he will be on the Mets the rest of his life because he is so good...
he has nasty stuff...
and is just gettting into his prime...
no doubt about it he has the ability to win 20...
i say his statline will be
21 wins 7 losses 228 innings 239 strikeouts 2.94 era
he is a huge sleeper... and this will be only his second full season
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I wouldn't say that he will get 20 wins, but while saying that John Maine has improved greatly from what i have seen lately. If I had to guess i would say he is a 15 game winner and mid 3 era.
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I think with the team he has behind him and the other pitchers around him he will do just fine. Twenty games is certainly within reach.
Tha GOAT
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