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Reputation:96
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Since:Aug 28, 2006
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Let's be honest...
Is missing an oil cap the same as...
- an illegal spoiler?
- lowering the car height below spec?
- altering distributors, filters, restrictor plates, etc.?
- coating tires with a foreign substance?
I've always been cynical that Ford gets the short end of the stick because the higher up's are in love with GM. It really doesn't help my skepicism. If they want to penalize Edwards fine, do it... but the punishment should not be the same as changes to the car to gain a competitive advantage.
Just another reason why NASCAR is losing me as a fan.
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Sep 2, 2006
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Can anyone explain the advantage of your oil cap being loose or off? What the hell is this all about?
Unlike conventional cars, these cars do not have normal oil pans as they are dry sump systems, there is a reservior oil tank behind the driver, this allows for circulating a larger amount of oil thus making keeping oil temperature down easier. removing the cap allows air to travel from the cabin through the oiling system to the breather located under the hood. the breather exists to let off pressure that builds in the system. since the low pressure under the hood at speed creates resistance, any way of venting air to this area at speed can reduce that resistance and thus increases potential speed. it also aids in directing the air in a manner to increase more downforce which does give him an aerodynamic advantage.
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Feb 3, 2007
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Edwardsfan99--- Chris Andrews will replace Osborne as interim Crew Chief.
I borrowed your AV for this week , Thanks.
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Feb 1, 2008
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After going to Daytona and being there in the garage I did not realize how strict the inspections were and that is the pre race stuff I mean they would inspect the nose and say it was X amount off and the crew would pull out a file and file it down maybe two or three strokes they would measure again and the car would pass. They dont play
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 15, 2006
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Unlike conventional cars, these cars do not have normal oil pans as they are dry sump systems, there is a reservior oil tank behind the driver, this allows for circulating a larger amount of oil thus making keeping oil temperature down easier. removing the cap allows air to travel from the cabin through the oiling system to the breather located under the hood. the breather exists to let off pressure that builds in the system. since the low pressure under the hood at speed creates resistance, any way of venting air to this area at speed can reduce that resistance and thus increases potential speed. it also aids in directing the air in a manner to increase more downforce which does give him an aerodynamic advantage.
JG, thanks for the explaination. Our resident rocket scientist come through again.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:May 10, 2007
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Mikeyfan i will attempt to join in if i can find some of jarretts old school stuff...
watching nascar now and them explaining the deal with the oil cap..they said that it allows air to escape and sucks the rear of the car down..more downforce and getting the spoiler out of the air creating a advantage..
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 16, 2007
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Pure bs. This is rediculous. Crew chief suspension, 100 point loss, and not getting the 10 points in the chase? The worst penalty NASCAR has ever handed down.
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Reputation:93
Level:All-Star
Since:Aug 27, 2007
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I hope Edwards throws it right back in NASCAR's face. The best thing for him to do it just win baby.....Win 8-10 races for the season. Score 10's on each backflip and then win the championship. Funny thing is, I'm a Gordon Fan....
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Reputation:99
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Since:Sep 1, 2006
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First off let me say JG you are starting to become my hero with the way you speak your mind. I don't feel so bad after reading your posts.
Second how is this a terrible penalty on NASCAR part. See a part of me wants to say Edwards crew would know they get caught but then another part of me wants to say how would this cap just fall off without them realizing it. I read somewhere that the cap lasted 150 laps in practice and anothe 399 laps of race. My question is how do you know this? If this is the case and the 99 knew the cap fell off during the race don't you think they would have notified NASCAR right away.
No one ever gonna admit they cheated so we will never know. I can say NASCAR wouldn't have handed down this penalty unless they knew it would stick specially with all the reversals on penalites this week.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 3, 2007
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The C.O.T. penalties have been very consistent. That penalty is right in line with the rest for C.O.T. violations.
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Jun 30, 2007
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I cannot believe how many problems these cars have. Each week I am looking at the penalties I wish the NBA, NFL and MLB would follow the same route. Edwards sorry dude i liked you... Go Gordon, Jimmie, Dale ad Mears The "Four Horsemen" are coming... Rock on guys...
Bo picks
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Mar 14, 2007
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I have read some articles and seen different views from Jayski to CBS to ESPN to FOX and not sure what to think. I do know if you look over the history it's no secret NASCAR doesn't like Jack Roush so it doesn't surprise me. I'm ot going to say it was fair or unfair as who's to say what is or isn't fair in a dictatorship?...bluejay
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 15, 2006
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Feb 22, 2008
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I like Carl and always enjoy him doing well, but I gotta say I think this is the right penalty for the infraction. I'm not a expert mechanic or anything but find it hard to believe that the oil cap just fell off all by it's self. These mechanics bank big money and go over every nut and bolt on these cars before a race. Could the bolts have fallen out? Yes they could of, but only if someone did not do their job and ensure they were properly tightened or intentionally made sure they were loose to begin with. This most likley isn't Carls fault, it is his problem, now he must dig himself out of a 100+ point deficit. It is unfortunate but as long as he can run that well without the advantage he'll overcome it very quickley.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Feb 16, 2008
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I have to say that cheating is cheating anyway you look at it. If the cover missing caused more downforce and made the car faster for that reason then he didn't actually deserve to win.........period. They have the guidlines to keep the field even, If one car is faster because they didn't follow the guidelines.........it's cheating. Just because the Patriot's had access to audio and video equipment they needed to steal other teams playbook....doesn't give them the right to use it..........still cheating. GO TRIBE!!!!!
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Feb 16, 2008
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I have to say that cheating is cheating anyway you look at it. If the cover missing caused more downforce and made the car faster for that reason then he didn't actually deserve to win.........period. They have the guidlines to keep the field even, If one car is faster because they didn't follow the guidelines.........it's cheating. Just because the Patriot's had access to audio and video equipment they needed to steal other teams playbook....doesn't give them the right to use it..........still cheating. GO TRIBE!!!!!
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 15, 2006
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Bluejay, I think if you look back to all the penalties for the COT they all have been 100 Points deductions and 100K fines, 6 week suspensions for the Crew Chiefs. However, this is the first one that happened "POST RACE" and to the winning car. Since the 10 point bonus for the win only affects the chase to me it is a good call. I applaud NASCAR's consistency for their penalties. NASCAR handed its penalty to Robby Gordon the same as everyone else's figuring it would either be overturned or reduced but they stuck by their guns. What happened with that is Dodge and Jim Beam negotiated to pay a bigger fine to get Robby his points back. Considering the circumstance of the cause I have no problem with that decision.
Rousch will appeal so Carl will have his crew chief this weekend but I don't know how anyone can say NASCAR is picking on Rousch. Last year the penalty was against the Most Popular Driver in NASCAR, Junior, and the best team in NASCAR HMS, NASCAR gave everyone a warning and they haven't backed down.
Everyone on this board has been hollaring for 2 to 3 years they want NASCAR to be consistent with their penalties and now that they are they are we are saying they need to use some judgement when handing down penalties. Do we want NASCAR to be consistent or do we want them to use Judgement so we can argue about their decision? (this got deleted because I used the "B" word instead of argue. )
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