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Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return


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Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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Since:Nov 4, 2006

May 11, 2008 4:10 pm
So Rich Harden has a horrible first four innings against the Rangers today.  I don't know about you guys, but it's time we drop this guy.  He makes a single digit amount of times in a year and after the way he pitched today, he's not worth wasting another year on.  I have lost my patience with him.  Anyone else feel the same?

Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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May 11, 2008 5:08 pm
Did he re-injure his shoulder today, or was he just yanked because he stunk??

Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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May 11, 2008 9:42 pm
Once he is tradable I'm sure he is gone.

Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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May 12, 2008 12:08 am
Actually no i dont feel that way on this one. Harden is not really Hurting us at all. He is way to good to just be cut from the team. He had one bad outing (mind you his first one back) and your ready to axe him lol. I will agree that he is injury prone but when he has pitched he has been really good and when hes hurt stick him on the DL and bring Guadin back into the rotation. If he stays healthy trade him while you can. But dropping him would not be a good move.

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May 12, 2008 12:51 am

I would like us to give him a few more starts (if he can go a few starts without getting hurt) and let him get back in the groove and then trade him.

We obviously have enough pitching without him, so if he can return to form and then we can trade him for a few more prospects, then I'd be all for that. We already have a very good farm system thanks to Arizona and Chicago, so if we could get another high-level guy or two for Harden then we'd have a very pretty future.


Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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Since:Aug 18, 2006

May 12, 2008 5:31 am
I disagree strongly with recommendations to trade Harden.

First off, even if he makes 6 straight quality healthy starts no team would give us anything of real value for him. In order for him to have any trade value at all he will have to finish out the rest of this season. If he can do that though, who would really want to give him up? Ask anyone who is actually in the baseball world and they will tell you Rich Harden's stuff is better than anyone else that they have seen. Honestly now, if you have the best pitcher, literally the best, what is good enough return on a trade? He is better than Dan Haren and look the returns we got from that trade. Greg Smith and Dana Eveland are already contributing solidly in the majors and we still have 4 more top notch prospects (Aaron Cunningham, Carlos Gonzalez, etc.) making their way through the minors. No one would give us what a healthy Harden is worth because no one HAS what he is worth. How many teams could even offer us an identical trade to what we got for Haren?

Secondly, If we trade away Rich Harden who becomes our true "ace"? Who would we have that you would give the advantage to when matching up against ANY other pitcher in the league? Justin Duchscherer is great and I think he has the potential to be good enough to be a #1 on most teams, but he isn't near as good as Harden. Joe Blanton eats innings, but I don't think he will be likely to ever give you an ERA under 3. Greg Smith and Dana Eveland are both too young. Chad Gaudin has a ton of potential. He is somehow only 25, and I think at his best he could be the next Tim Hudson. However, he is no Rich Harden either. So tell me honestly, if we were to trade away Harden, who would you feel comfortable having square off against any other pitcher in the league and give us the advantage to win? This is the guy who, just a couple years ago, took a perfect game into the 8th inning and ended up throwing a 2 hit, no walk, complete game shutout on 81 pitches. How stupid would Beane be if he let a guy who was only getting paid 4.75 million and has HOF stuff get away because he was "injury prone" only to see him be completely healthy the rest of his career compiling HOF numbers for another team? What would we have to receive to be worth that loss? Really guys, this is no Mark Prior. Prior is good, but he's not Harden. This is no Kerry Wood either. Rich Harden at his best is better than either Pedro Martinez or Roger Clemens in their primes at their best. You may think that is an exaggeration, but talk to the scouts and the managers and the players who have seen and faced Harden. They are the ones saying this, not me. I'm just repeating it.

Guys, give Harden a break already. I'd much rather see him on the Athletics roster than any other team. Quit panicking and be patient. Baseball is a long season. It's a marathon, not a sprint. How many of you were screaming for Jack Hannahan's head just a week ago citing bad defense and no offense? Don't look now, but his AVG and SLG are climbing while his OBP is already over .400 and he just made a terrific (shades of Eric Chavez) diving play just a couple day ago. Be patient and give Harden time too. Weren't a lot of guys ready to throw in the towel on Bobby Crosby this preseason too, calling him "injury prone" as well? Didn't I tell you to give him a break and say that he can't control Justin Speier's inside fastball breaking his hand? What about throwing in the towel before the season started and conceding a 100 loss season or a guaranteed sub .500 winning percentage? How are things looking with that one now? Just wait. Give it time. Right now we lead the Angels in the AL West and are second only to the Red Sox for record in the AL. We will need Harden to face off against John Lackey when he returns, so we can't trade him.

Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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May 12, 2008 5:34 am
Rich Harden was not pulled because of injury. He had control issues and that led to his pitch count hitting 90 in the fourth inning. Bob Geren had said that would be Harden's limit today, as the Athletics didn't want to overwork him and risk re-injury, so he was pulled. We will not know how Harden is doing and if he is still 100% until we find out how he is feeling tomorrow and Tuesday.

Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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May 12, 2008 11:54 am
Does anyone know when Rich Harden is up for Free Agency becuase that is very important on  how i look at this one. If we still have him locked up for 3 or more years then yes i would probably keep him at least for a couple more years. But then agian trading him might still be the best move if you can get value out of him.

If he is a free agent in 2009 or 2010 then i would not hesitate for a second to trade him during the offseason if he was fully healthy for the rest of the year. IMO Harden is not going to hold up for very long. This kid is Mark Prior Jr. Tons of Talent but cant stay on the mound long enough to really show it. People are still taking a risk on Prior every year just becuase of that raw talent and while i really do hope im wrong, i think Harden will eventually end up the same way.

Rich Harden Looks Like A POS In Return
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Since:May 15, 2007