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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 16, 2006
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Should the Suns start the rebuilding process now? As great as Nash is, the team appears to be headed in a different philosophical direction which stresses defense, and he has never been a great or even average defender. If the Suns could pick up Rose or Bayless, both of whom bring better defensive potential along with good offense, through a trade for Nash, would you endorse it? Possible trade partners would be Miami, New York, LA Clippers, Milwaukee, Chicago and Portland. There are no rumors out there that anything like this has even been considered or thought of, but is it, assuming those teams would be interested, something the Suns should think about this offseason?
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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Dec 11, 2006
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The only thing the Suns need to do is get rid of Steve Kerr.......let D'Antoni coach his game and the suns will run and win again. Enough with the slow down Bulls**t...Steve Kerr is the problem and he either needs to start playing for the team signing his checks or get the hell out.
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Reputation:88
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 9, 2008
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ive known for the last few seasons that the Suns were not going to be the team that they once ere for long.this team never really wanted to pay the players that made them special but werent considered stars. imagine what wouldve happened if the suns kept not only Shawn Marion but Joe Johnson, Tim Thomas, Kurt Thomas, and Steven Hunter they would be much deeper and even better defense wise
Center-Amare Stoudamirepower
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 24, 2006
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Blow it up. The sooner the rebuilding starts the sooner that the Suns could be a relevant team again. As of right now the Suns are the oldest and most defensively inept team in the league. Steve Nash has always been a liability on defense, Amare can play good help defense but cannot man up his own guy, and Shaq has very little left in the tank. Tell me when if ever you would have seen Shaq shoot a lay up and not throw it down 3-4 years ago? How many lay ups did he shoot this season in Phoenix?
Blow it up and rebuild!
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 16, 2006
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Can the Suns win a championship over the next two seasons with the roster they have right now? Will adding a #15 draft pick in this year's draft put them over the top? Are there any affordable, third-tier players that could make that great of an impact?
Right now Phoenix sits $15 million over the cap. They are already paying a luxury tax, and there ability to fix the roster through anything but a trade is very limited. If they stand pat over the next two seasons expect the same results, and they will probably get progressively worse.
The good news is that a little over $37 million dollars comes off the books in the summer of 2010, the same time that LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Kobe Bryant and Tracy McGrady are supposed to become free agents. They have about $5 million coming off this year and another $1.5 million next year, bringing their payroll to about $28 million in the summer of 2010. That will give them $28 million in cap room as well. Obviously some players would have to be added, but the Suns could still be in a position to offer a max contract to one of those free agents. The Suns can go about this two ways; stick with the roster they have now or begin building toward the future.
Sticking with what they have now will give them a better chance to win this season and the next, but when those contracts come off the books the only thing coming in return is the cap space. The Suns run the risk of having a less appealing situation than other suitors. Plus, they'll have to address those departed positions, which could take up some of their free cap room.
If they trade some pieces now, they get younger talent that could develop within a couple of years. It's not unimaginable that Rose, Bayless or Mayo could be making a significant impact on the League by the year 2010. And the value of their contracts at that point is much greater than what the Suns would find in free agency. Adding a talented young player this year and next, to go along with Stoudemire and possibly Diaw and Barbosa, would make Phoenix an attractive destination for those marquee free agents.
Phoenix would have to take some contracts in return for any player they trade, but as long as the contracts run out by 2010 I think it would be a great idea for the Suns to make a significant move as soon as possible. I would much rather see the team be average for the next two seasons and jump right back into the mix in 2010 than continue in vain to win with this group for the next two years and then fall into even great obscurity once the team's great talents are either gone or washed up.
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Reputation:98
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 18, 2006
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" Right now Phoenix sits $15 million over the cap." ..."They are already paying a luxury tax"
Actually the Suns are not over the Cap. they have two mid level exceptions and one regular. which is why they didn't pay any luxury tax this year and wont pay any next year. They traded away Thomas with picks for that second mid level. The salary cap is 55 million, all but 4 or 5 teams are under that, however most of those teams don't pay luxury tax because they trade for mid level exceptions which are not counted against the salary cap. Realistically you could have 72-73 million in salary and not pay any luxury tax.
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 16, 2006
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They are over the cap in salary. They might not be paying the actual tax because of those exceptions, but they are still over the cap. It effects their ability to sign free agents. That was the point I was making. Do you have an opinion on the actual topic at hand? Should the Suns rebuild or stick with what they have?
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Reputation:93
Level:All-Star
Since:Mar 26, 2007
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1st of all,, before i comment on the Suns problems..let me get this off of my chest..These foreign/international so-called superstars are the main reason why some good coaches have been fired or have chosen to coach somewhere else..Mavs--Dirk Nowitski is soft as tissue and that trade for J.Kidd was the reason the Mavs sucked, but coach Avery Johnson got the blame and the boot out the door...Suns--Boris Diaw same as Dirk is soft as tissue also--all of there foreign players Barbosa, Diaw, and even Nash did not step up in this years playoffs, what happen Mike D,antoni chose too coach the New York Knicks,,thats a sign if ever there was one!!!!
Suns problem is they have been letting there good players leave via free agency and not replacing them with same or better talent...Look at all of these guys who should be wearing a Suns Jersey::Joe Johnson, Tim Thomas, Kurt Thomas, Steven Hunter, Shawn Marion, and Quetin Richardson..Compare that to the players now and you see why they got ousted by Spurs in the 1st round::Boris Diaw(too soft), Grant Hill(too old), Raja Bell(no offense), Leandro Barbosa(the only bright spot), and Brian Skinner(no skills at all)..And Steve Nash is starting to show his age..
i dont blame Mike D"Antoni for leaving..Would you stay?????
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Jul 12, 2007
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I say all it is his fault. Before he got here Pheonix had one of the youngest teams in the league, he screwed that up real good, and now we have to start all over again from scratch. Why the hell did the Suns hire him in the first place? It's like they picked him off the street and gave him the head coaching job. He had no qualifications and no creditials before he joined the Suns. I'm glad he left, now he's really stuck on a bad team, he'll be lucky to win over 25% of his games. The only thing that Suns have going of them right now is STAT, if they can quickly build a new foundation around him, then the Suns will be tough to beat next year.
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Level:Amateur
Since:May 11, 2008
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The Suns are done. The team and players were built for the 7 Second Offense, but Sarver and Kerr were intent on getting rid of Marion to land Garnett, Marion's agent was an idiot for talking about a max contract for Shawn, Sarver and Kerr were idiots for not counter-offering and trying to keep Shawn. Sarver was an idiot for giving Kurt Thomas away to clear cap space and then paying Shaq a max contract to do not much more than Thomas did. Kperr was a moron for trading the pick that could have landed Rajon Rondo (a true playmaker PG that could have been a back up and legit heir to Nash - sorry Leandro is never going to be a playmakng PG - he's a #2 who needs to learn a little defense), oh I could keep typing up all the screw ups that have heppened and I have to lay most of them on Sarver's doorstep. The following line-up could have been possible for the Suns this year and you can jude whether they would've had a better chance to get to the finals than the squad put together by Kerr:
PG: Steve Nash - Rajon Rondo
SG: Joe Johnson - Raja Bell
SF: Shawn Marion - Grant Hill
PF: Amare Stoudemire - Shawn Marion
C: Kurt Thomas - Boris Diaw - Brian Skinner
There's a 9-10 player rotation that could've done a lot better in the playoffs, imho of course (oh yeah, instead of re-signing him, Barbosa would have had to be traded primarily for cap space). Oh well, it's over now. The roster is so old now and bumping the cap that I don't know how they even rebuild. We just have to hope the old horses show up in training camp healthy, in shape and stay healthy.
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Reputation:84
Level:All-Star
Since:Sep 5, 2006
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NO NEED TO BLOW IT UP YET!!! Trade Barbosa for Ron Artest, draft DJ Augustin, and with a full training camp and a motivated Shaq the Suns are NBA champs.
PG- Nash, Augustin
SG- Bell, Strawberry
SF- Artest, Hill
PF- Stoudemire, Diaw
C- Shaq, Skinner
Two years from now:
PG- Augustin
SG- Bell, Strawberry
SF- Artest
PF- Stoudemire
C- Skinner
TONS of cap space though and an attractive base to sign a new big man and shooters.
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