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Farce
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Reputation:92
Level:All-Star
Since:Nov 19, 2006

May 6, 2008 2:20 pm

Despite these new, "tougher" requirements, the concept of a "student athlete" in the major sports will remain a farce, until the players must take actual academic courses. Remaining eligible by getting passing grades in fly fishing, ballroom dancing, etc. proves absolutely nothing.


Farce
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Reputation:96
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 22, 2007

May 6, 2008 3:13 pm
Let's see if they enforce this if one of the big "cash cow" schools makes the list. Don't hold your breath.

Farce
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Reputation:95
Level:Superstar
Since:Dec 13, 2007

May 6, 2008 3:36 pm
I'm all for having tougher standards but what's to prevent these schools from cheating on the requirements. As someone says, this encourages the kids to take cream puff classes and it'll probably encourage more cheating for grades yet. Who's to stop a professor from grading a player higher than he's earned. If "School A" gets put on probation and "school B" doesn't. How do I know that "school A" was just more honest about it and "school B" isn't giving the players the answers to the questions on tests?


Farce
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Reputation:90
Level:All-Star
Since:Jan 4, 2008

May 6, 2008 4:11 pm
Being a former student athlete, I am all for stricter rules.  I played basketball at a junior college for a year before transferring to a 4 year school.  I graduated high school with a 3.7 GPA.  In some of my classes with some of my teammates, the grading scale was different for the players than that of regular students.  I saw this crap going on first hand.  I played with a guy that could barely read his own name.

Farce
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Reputation:97
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 15, 2008

May 6, 2008 6:24 pm
Isn't the person overseeing this the athletic director at Michigan. Which was probably the biggest cheater in college athletics ever. (the fab 5) College sports has become nothing orchestrated and flat out fixed because nothing matters but the mighty dollar to them. I have have given up supporting any of it and if they are losing me they are losing a lot more because I would watch a tiddley wink tournament because it is competition. Now after 50 years I can't even stomach the crap they are pulling. The only thing pure any more is midget sports.

Farce
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Reputation:78
Level:Pro
Since:Oct 25, 2006

May 7, 2008 8:05 am

Take a look at what Greg Oden took his second semester last year as a Freshman.

1  Basketball

2.  History of rock and roll

3.  Sociology

What happened to the required courses?  It's all about the money.

 


Farce
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Reputation:96
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 17, 2008

May 7, 2008 10:17 am
Skid:

First of all, OSU is on a quarterly system, not semesters. It is common practice at many schools for athletes to take a light course load during their sports season. For OSU basketball, this is Winter Quarter. OSU now requires it's basketball players to take classes during Summer Quarter, in part to make up for the light load during the season. That said, Oden did hurt OSU by dropping out last Spring Quarter after the cutoff date. As a result, he left OSU as being academically ineligible. Mike Conley and Daequan Cook were stand-up guys and completed their academic responsibilities, but now Kosta Koufos has pulled the same crap as Oden. As a result, OSU basketball will have an uphill battle to get back up to 925...but no sanctions for now due to OSU requiring their players to attend Summer Quarter.

Also, the APR system requires students to make prescribed levels of progress toward earning a degree as they progress through their years of eligibility. Can the system be scammed? No doubt, but it is still a step in the right direction. When the APR system was first implemented, OSU football was well below the 925 benchmark. Since then, Tressel has recruited a few classes under OSU's recently raised admissions standards. Not only has he been recruiting great athletes, he has also been getting good students. Every year, Tressel takes a pass on some of Ohio's best talent because they don't meet the academic standards (Mario Manningham is a great example...no doubt the Wolverines are proud of the 6 he scored on the Wonderlic). The result...OSU football has an APR of 984, has a team GPA above 3.0, and has led the Big Ten in academic all-conference players for the 4th consecutive season. Clearly, it is possible to do things right.


Farce
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Reputation:96
Level:Superstar
Since:Jan 20, 2007

May 7, 2008 3:33 pm
I think that there is a HUGE UNTRUE stereotype that athletes don't take hard classes.  Some of their classes aren't hard, but NONE of their classes only have athletes in them.  In that Ballroom dancing class that someone made fun of is the school's prima ballerina and a load of Frat boys.  There are also tons of people in those classes that are getting their PE credit (some schools require 2 hours).  Its not like all the classes they take are cream puff classes, they have to meet the same degree requirements as the rest of us, and if anyone has watched TV lately you would know that the MAJORITY of student athletes go pro in something other than sports.  If they have a degree, they met the same requirements that anyone else did (assuming there was no institutional cheating).  Ask any normal college graduate these days and they will tell you that they both took blow off classes (which is why the national average is now 5 years to graduate) and that there were athletes in their classes.  They don't get special treatment from the majority of instructors.  They get special tutoring, but that still requires them to complete the course requirements.  We need higher standards and I am for that, but we also need to stop saying things like: all they take is ballroom dancing and fly fishing. 

Farce
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Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:May 5, 2008

May 7, 2008 6:09 pm
The NCAA could make the requirement for eligibility a 4.0 it doesn't mean crap. In big time sports the AD's and school presidents would just create MORE nonsensical classes that the rest of the students dont know about so guys could keep eligible.

Also, I'm not sure how Stephen A. Smith is relevant to NCAA academic eligibility...