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Since:Sep 29, 2006

April 28, 2008 12:26 pm

The lesson: "Stop overpaying for free agent players." 

Just because a player has success in the past with another team; it does not mean they will succeed in the future with a new scenario.  Will baseball ever learn this lesson?


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April 28, 2008 12:56 pm
You're better off building your staff off of your farm system.

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Since:Sep 14, 2006

April 28, 2008 1:01 pm
Yea, I think you can explain some of the difference in performance just as random variation - players have a certain range that they will fall in during most years.  At the same time, we can't forget these are human beings, not machines, and that outside factors can have a major effect - pressure, expectations, teammates, team mentality/attitude, atmosphere, city, etc. 

There were warning signs with Zito anyway - he rarely had consistent control - walked 80-90 guys a year, but in Oakland he clearly got away with it for whatever reason.  Could be any number of things, either baseball related or not. 

And yea - the lesson is clearly there - there are major risks signing any athlete to a 100m plus contract - especially when all of it is guaranteed.  It's not always horrible - look at what Beltran and Pedro did for the Mets, or Manny(or Pedro again for that matter) for the Sox - both franchises really turned around.  But it really is hit or miss, and honestly, you never know.  Manny could have been another Albert Belle, and Pedro could have been Zito...did the Sox know something we don't, or did they just get lucky? 

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Since:Nov 1, 2006

April 28, 2008 3:14 pm

This contract totally screwed up the market.  Look at what Gil Meche got.  The Twins lost Santana and the Indians may lose C Double.  The White Sox traded Jon Garland thinking they wouldn't be able to afford him.  You could go on and on.


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Since:Mar 13, 2008

April 28, 2008 3:45 pm

Without a real salary cap, deals like this will continue to be made and other blockbusters will continue to blow up in teams' faces because of injury or some other problem. The desire to win, coupled with strong revenue streams will push the big market teams to spend whatever it takes to attract the best talent.

Where this really hurts the fan is when the excessive payroll for a bunch of stiffs ends up driving up ticket prices.


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Since:Sep 21, 2006

April 28, 2008 4:34 pm
Baseball will never learn this lesson.  For every good free agent signing, there are generally 3 or 4 which never pay out.  Being a Giants fan, I was never a fan of the Zito signing.  I understood that management wanted to make a splash in the free agent market to show the fans that winning was still a priority, but no pitcher is worth the type of contract that they gave Zito.  From what I understand, if the Giants hadn't signed Zito, another team was willing to offer similar terms.  Pitching is always a commodity, and teams will continue to overpay for it.  No matter how many Mike Hamptons or Barry Zitos come around.

The Lesson
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Reputation:93
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Since:Aug 29, 2006

April 29, 2008 8:32 am
No more salary cap talk it should be dead right now.  Screw it if baseball gets a cap, I am only going to watch Nascar.  It would be the last real sport left. 

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Since:May 28, 2007

April 29, 2008 10:52 am
But honestly who really saw this coming...he won't be 30 until may. Not a time when pitchers tend to lose their velocity and command. It looks bad now but hindsight is always 20/20

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Since:Apr 6, 2008

May 3, 2008 10:24 pm
i cant imagine that anyone can honestly saw this big of meltdown coming.. there will be plenty of people who claim they did..but poo on that..no way.  Did u see the ESPN pg 2 article a few weeks ago that compared Zito and Bulldog Mike Hampton ... Hampton in last yr of deal.. basically has been paid 1.89 mm per win...jeez.. gotta go.. gonna go work on my curveball....