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March 21, 2008 11:31 am
Although I do agree with your statement that people should be 'acting,' the above quote is not enitrely accurate. Research studies done within the past ten years are showing that people who engage in prayer regularly tend to be healthier and live longer than those who don't.

This is true

There is also evidence that intercessionary prayer--praying for someone else--has a positive effect on that person (whether they're aware of the prayers for them or not.) The research continues, but the overall indications are quite positive.

This is proven false over and over again.

Prayer is beneficial for the one praying.  If you believe God will help  you in your job interview, you most likely will have a good interview. 

Whole churches have prayed for unknowing cancer patients and they had no better of a recovery rate than those who werent prayed for.


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March 21, 2008 11:35 am

Leviathan and bohemoth are proof of dinosuars?  Please!!!  Leviathon breathed fire for christ's sake.  Do you really believe in fire breathing dragons? 

If dinosaurs walked the earth with man, every other bible verse would be about them.  There would be whole chapters devoted to dinosaurs killing those who followed false gods.  The existance of dinos wouldnt be limited to a few passages-  There frickin dinosaurs. 

If they lived with man they would have commanded much more attention than the bible gives them.


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March 21, 2008 11:41 am
 

It is good Friday.  The day we mourn the death of Jesus.  But dont worry, he will rise again in 3 days. Lets see, Saturday, Sunday and Monday.  Shouldnt easter be celebrated on Monday?  Other Easter facts:

  • The name Easter comes from the name of a pagan goddess. 
  • Approximately 200 BC, pagans celebrated Attis who died each year at the spring equinox and was ressurected 3 days later.  Attis was born of a virgin.  The pagans mourned his death on 'Black Friday' (also called the day of blood)  and celebrated his ressurection 3 days later.
  •  The Easter Bunny and easter eggs all come from pagan traditions/ celebrations.

So I have no problem wishing every one a happy spring equinox and rejoicing the ressurection of attis (he did it 200 years before jesus) with a colored egg.

What is more of a stretch?  Either Christianity stole ideas from the pagan religeons that preceded it, or God got a virgin preggers, the kid raised the dead, walked on water and turned water to wine, but had to die to pay the cost of everyone's sin.  He just happened to be ressurected three days later just like other gods before him (but that was just a coinidence).


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March 21, 2008 11:52 am

Back by popular demand:

Summary of Bible-

by Pura Vida

Book I- The creation:

In the beginning was God.  God knew all and was all powerwful.  He knew the past, present and future.  God creates the Universe (hundreds of billions of galaxies each with a hundred billions stars) for the purpose of creating life on one tiny planet- earth.

God created man from dust (is that better than goo?) and woman from one of man's ribs.  Although God knew the future and knew what man would do, he put a tree full of forbidden fruit in the garden.  God told man he must not eat from it (but God knew he would because he knows the future- kind of sadistic really, but hey who am I to judge?)

A serpent tempts the woman to eat the apple.  Why god created the serpent nobody knows.  Maybe God wanted man to fail.  Why provide the opportunity to fall and create the evil serpent to tempt, if God didnt want man to fall (which God already knew he would fail because he knows the future).  Man eats the forbidden apple and god condems all of human kind for their sins.   (Billions and billions of people suffere because of one persons choice....thats not fair!)

Book II - the flood

Man falls from grace and is consumed by sin.  Man multiplies and widespread immorality covers the earth.  This angers god and he has no choice to kill them all......except Noah's family because they are good.  I mean face it, Drowning every infant and toddler on the planet is just mercy because now they are with God.  See- GOD IS LOVING.  Anyway, God tells that family to build an ark and to gather two of every animal.  Its a magic ark because Gods book says it was only 540 feet long, yet  it held about 50,000 species of animals and 1 million species of insects and all the food they required for over 6 months.  There is no way one family could clean the excrement of 50,000 animals, so God had the animals poo overboard.

The flood recedes and the Ark lands.  Noah gets out and sacrifices animals to god....the animals he was supposed to save- DOH.  Talk about a homer simpson moment.  God tells noah, I will never kill every man with a flood again and changes the properties of either water or light so that when light passes through water vapor it refracts into the colors of the rainbow.  NIFTY TRICK!  The rainbow is now Gods promise to never again  kill everyone with a flood.  Floods continue to  kill people (remember the tsunami) so maybe God was fibbing just a bit.

Book III- God isnt done killing yet.

Evidently, Gods flood didnt purify the human race like it was suppose to (you'd think God would have known that since he saw the future, I guess he lovingly killed millions for the pure love of it).  Man has spread like a malignant growth again.  God chooses a group of followers.  He gives them a book of laws and ten commandments.  These are the most important laws.  (For some reason, Thou shall not rape, commit incest or enslave men made the list....I guess God doesnt think those laws are very important) 

God helps his people escape egypt and then helps them smite their enemies.  With God's approval and assistance, his chosen people slaughter millions and enslave their enemies' children and women.  God lets his chosen people rape the women because he is a generous God. (Maybe thats why he didnt make that a commandment).

Book IV- The bet

God and the devil get together and decide to bet on a man named Job's faith.  The devil evolved from the serpent that god created in the beginning (Im still not sure why he created an advisary).  Anyway, with God's permission, the Devil kills all of Jobs family and takes away all his money.  Then Job has to live in a whale for three whole days.....wait thats jonah- my bad I just wanted an excuse to list this site- hilarious http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t004.html

Anyway God ruins Job's life but wins the bet.  Alls well that ends well.

Book V- Killings getting old

About this time God is tired of condemning his people to hell for their sins and tired of murdering them.  It was fun at first, but it is getting old.  So, he decided to get an earth bound girl pregnant.  He saw Zues do it with hercules and it worked out...so why not?  God's son grows up with almost no fan fare.  I think it is kind of like harry potter- he didnt know he had magic powers until he was 12. 

Anyway, God's son gets some followers and starts to get rebellious as children tend to do.  Instead of killing, he preaches mercy.  When one woman is to be stoned to death according to gods law, Jesus stops it and forgives her.  That had to tick daddy off.  Kids just dont listen these days!

Jesus says the only way to spend eternity with my murderous father is to believe in me as his son.  If you do that your sins are washed away.  You see- this is better because now God doesnt have to kill millions anymore.  This upsets Jesus's daddy because Daddy likes to  kill sinners.   God needs blood, always has always will, so instead of killing millions because they are sinful- he kills his son. (If God knew the future, he knew we'd need a savior because he knew we would eat the apple....so why wait so long?)  (Why does anyone have to die?) (Why is it that if I sin, my punishment is eternity in hel- but Jesus is able to pay my price without serving any time in hel-??)

Three days later, Jesus comes back to earth to show that his daddy didnt really finish him off.  He got the idea of ressurecting from a bunch of pagan gods that had claimed to be ressurected before he was born.  Then he promises he will come back  in give or take several milenia.

Book V- epilogue

Jesus' followers go on to tell us that he will come back again.  When Jesus comes back, he's going to gather all of his believers and take them to heaven.  The reason he is going to do this is because God hasnt killed in thousands of years and he will be due!  He wont flood us again, but expect plenty of fire and 'hell on earth'

Churches sprout up following God and his son.  They honor their God by following his example and killing millions in his name.  They get to hate homosexuals as a bonus.

THE END


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March 21, 2008 12:06 pm
Rookies17,

Your analogy of comparing knowing that a person will fall if they ride a bike is in no way an accurate portrayal of someone knowing that more than half of those he loves will go to hell and be tortured for all eternity. It is on no way reflective of knowing that a child will die every five minutes in the world. I speak of suffering, and you compare it to minor inconveniences.

As far as the slavery thing goes, yes having a rule about slavery does mean that it is acceptable. There would be a rule against it if it was not acceptable. I do not think it is o.k. in our day and age, but that is not the point. Your bible condones it. Did you read leviticus 25:44. I quoted it for you. Your critical thinking skills are lacking.

Your analogy concerning the amputee did not work either. That is addressed in the website I gave you. Only meditation (personal prayer) has been shown to be effective. It is equally as effective without believing there is a god, therefore you have no proof that prayer to god does anything.

It is not my testimony only that agrees with testimony without credibiltiy. Ever been to court? Both sides present testimony, yet only one side wins. That is due to credibility being accepted, testimony is just given.

Can you show me a case that is documented at all that anyone has killed in the name of being atheist? There is none.

You asked what my point was in telling you that all someone has to do is say "christian" and they can dupe you. I explained it with my statement about values.

"What society?" you ask.  All human societies. Your analogy about Hitler reigning longer than JFK being "right" was a non sequitur. The point is simple. People say that we are good morally because of the bible, but that is not so. We had good morals before the bible.

One last thing. I noticed that some people think it is a good point to bring up the fact that people were willing to die for their beliefs, as if that meant it was a point in favor of there being a god. I would like to point out that many people have died for many gods, yet that did not make any of those other gods true. The 9/11 hijackers were willing to die for their beliefs too. That does not mean that allah is real.

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March 21, 2008 1:55 pm
Pura I posted this is the satan thread, but thought it would be appropriate here.

Pura-

You asked where the stories of Lucifer come from. They can clearly be explained in the Urantia Book. Really Christians should read this book or bible have you as it is a much more updated account of the history of earth (called Urantia) and the teachings of Christ (called Michael, not the archangel). Your Alien idea may not be far off pura.

Lucifer's rebellion:

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper53.html

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper54.html

All hail the Urantia Book!! Split into 4 sections that talk about the Superuniverse, central universe, history of urantia (earth), and even 700 pages devoted to Jesus! How could christians have not found this book by now is beyond me. You can even read it free online here:

http://www.urantia.org/papers/toc.html

The real TRUTH that cannot be disputed! Unlike the bible, this book actually portrays god as a loving god and is NOT FULL OF ALL THOSE CONTRADICTIONS. It's even full of it's own prophecy's - many of which have come true. This clearly must be the TRUTH!!

The Urantia book is the only book that tells the TRUTH about our existence, spirituality, the existence of dinosaurs, the falling of angels, the creation of Earth, evolution and of course the life of Jesus and other Messiahs. You cannot deny this book and you cannot disprove any statement within it, so therefore it must be the TRUTH!!! Unlike the bible that has no historical accuracies the Urantia Book can be proven with science. Aboy4Christ, I sincerely hope you find this book about the real TRUTH and can finally see how the bible has deceived you before it is too late....


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