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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Since:Aug 19, 2006
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OKCJohn you are indeed the biggest lowlife jerk I've ever seen post on these forums. Since you are too stupid to figure it out, try an idiotic thread you started when you don't even have a team and are not likely to get one soon. There are people in this region who are tore up about this whole thing and you start a chickensh!t post like that. So to make this real simple so even you can understand.....Go post on your own forums. The SuperSonics belong to Seattle and the fans here. Your kind isn't welcome anywhere that decent people gather for discussions.
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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U Double U you might as well forget logic from this one. He's incapable of such a thing. Every one of his so-called "facts" are directly from Bennett and Stern and we all know what liars they are.
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Since:Nov 5, 2006
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Okay, first of all, the Okla City metro area has 1 million plus people. Roughly twice the size of Tulsa. Tulsa is about 90 miles to the Ford Center. Drive time about 3 hours round trip. Not a bad road trip. I think your costs were a little high. More like $50.00 in gas at $5.00 per gal. The city of Norman (OU University) 17 miles from downtown. My opinion is this: If there is a relocation, there will be 13,000 season tickets sold less than a month after it is announced. That leaves just over 4000 tickets a game to be had. And I promise you they will not be good seats. What I don't think you guys understand is how hard it was to get tickets even when Memphis came to town. You could not sniff a ticket when the Lakers, Cavaliers, Spurs, played here.
As far as being able to afford going to the games. The average fan would maybe attend one game every year or two. That would be a special night out with dinner and a game. Most fans would rather sit home and watch it. Honestly, there are so many people that are sports fans, and when money is no object, that arena fills fast. Look, I was every bit like you thinking there is no way that OKC would support any major league team. I was wrong by a mile. It was really unbelievable. I honestly feel that OKC citizens would fill the place with out any Tulsans.
Do me a favor and check out the OKC website, and I think you will find that this city has grown and will continue to grow. There are many large companies here that employee thousands of people. I really don't think OKC has be given a fair shake.
Here is just one thing I have thought of is that OKC,s Double A hockey team not only has the highest attendence in minor league hockey (including American and International), but also last year and the year before averaged more people than 6 NHL teams. 12,500 per game. I know, its minor league hockey with minor league prices, but my point is that OKC has be so starved for so long for something like this,(relocation) that no matter who came here, they would be supported.
OKC fans see what has happened to the Hornets and the money George Shinn made from being here, they feel the same thing can happen again. How good could Durant and Green be with some serious help? The Hornets would never be where they are now, without the 2 years here. Shinn has said many times that was how he got Tyson Chandler, Peja, and signed David West long term.
As I have said before, what is going on with Seattle sucks for you guys, and your city leaders did not look out for you. Honestly, who really knows what went on with Bennett and Schultz? We will probably never know. Bennett has not screwed us yet! By the sounds of it, he probably will. As far a support, there are so many people here with so much money, there will be tens of thousands of fans trying to get one of 4000 tickets or less..
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Since:Apr 18, 2008
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OKC isn't anywhere near twice the size of Tulsa.
July 2007 estimates... www.census.gov
Seattle CMSA 4,038,741
OKC CMSA 1,262,027
Tulsa CMSA 955,643
Yeah, it's wishful thinking to believe that Tulsa will really support that team in OKC. Some will, but not anywhere near all of Tulsa. And even if all of Tulsa joined in you only get a little over half the fan base of Seattle. Or how about the entire state....
The whole freakin' state of Oklahoma (2007 estimate) 3,617,316
Seattle CMSA 4,038,741
....it still wouldn't equal the fan-base of Seattle. Not to mention the economics of Seattle.
Yes, most of the OKC fans are delusional. They think supporting a team for a couple years on the cheap (a team with no equivalent in Oklahoma) makes them ready for a full blown NBA team. I'd likely be too if they were coming here.
The owners made a business decision. Obviously, they believe they can get a better deal out of OKC than the business is currently worth in Seattle. They might be right. But in being right, it may very well require that OKC be a perennial cellar-dweller with mediocre attendance.
I'm sure Hugh Culverhouse made plenty of money when his Tampa Bay Buccaneers lost 10 games or more for 14 straight seasons. Money is the name of the game.
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Since:Aug 16, 2006
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I really think you guys are underestimating the support Tulsa will put up. There's a reason the Tulsa mayor was at the tour in OKC.
Lets do a little math :
180 mile round trip in my Chevy Suburban at 18 mpg (yes, it gets that)
10 gallons of gas, current prices a little less than 3$ a gallon here -
29 Bucks for the round trip.
Think I could swing that.
Is food really more expensive in OKC?
I know a lot of b-ball hounds in Tulsa who go to 3-4 Mavs or Grizz games a year, that would certainly pick up.
Tulsa has a new arena, bet your bottom dollar they will be playing exhibition games there to drum up interest, maybe even a few regular season games when scheduling conflicts arise at the Ford Center for a concert, conference tourneys, NCAA regionals, etc.
I'm from Tulsa and if they move I'm going to buy some high dollar season ticket seats, go to 10 -15 games a year, and pass around the rest of the tickets to friends and family.
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Since:Apr 18, 2008
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It's really a bit delusional to believe that people a couple hours down the pike will give the same type of support that people 15 minutes away will give. That's the question.
The answer is simply, the entire state of Oklahoma including people as far away from OKC as Altus, Miami, Guymon, and Idabel....if you included all of them and they all supported this team as much as people in south OKC would, you still don't get the numbers. And you will not get anywhere near the support from Tulsa, that you'll get from someone that lives near Penn and May.
It's unnecessary to make that argument. It's not going to happen anyway. OKC either does or does not have the ability to generate a similar fan base as Seattle. Clearly they do not.
It's irrelevant anyway, obviously the ownership did not make this decision based on potential fan support.
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Level:Amateur
Since:Apr 18, 2008
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I know there's some hard-core NBA fans out there that will make the drive. I'm not a hard-core fan. I'm a mediocre Spurs and Knicks fan. Watch them on the tele occasionally. I can tell you for sure, I'd make a lot more games if I lived in OKC. As is, probably won't make too many.
I'm sure the first few years they'll have plenty of season tickets sells. And they may do a good job filling the stadium the first few years. If they're smart, they'll schedule regular home-games in Tulsa as well. If you have fewer games in OKC, the demand for tickets goes up. And you know they'd sell out just about any games they played in Tulsa.
I'm not down on the move. Might as well get off the illusion that Tulsa will support OKC's team in exactly the same fashion that someone living in OKC would. Season tickets count. If the owners are more interested in money than a successful franchise, none of this matters.
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Since:Aug 16, 2006
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Tulsa a couple of hours down the turnpike?
Do you ride a moped?
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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Call a truce between OKC and Seattle
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